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For adult hockey, the Verbero  SSheild and Stark DC9 are great options. Thsy are both lght, mobile and modular

It's definitely very difficult to thread the top two eyelets over the tongue with the skates on. What is much easier is threading the eyelets behind the tongue and then pulling the laces over.

As a fellow Mako user who has a pair of converted TF9s for inline (along with some converted Makos), I agree that there's about 1 size difference in length in the same size between Makos and TF9s after baking. I wear 8EE in Makos and went with 7W TF9s. Before baking, my feet felt hard on the cap in the TF9s, but if i put the Mako 8EE boots next to the 7W TF9s both the length and width appear identical. After baking, the 7W TF9s still felt a little tight, but after about 5 hours of skating my toes were just brushing the caps and the 8EE Mako II's and 7W TF9s feel like the same length. The one difference was the toe cap - the toe cap felt more comfortable on the Makos and to get a little more space in the TF9 toe caps I carefully heated the area with a heat gun and then did some body weight squats with the skates on - that helped, but the Mako toe cap is still more comfortable. Since then, I've tried on the Catalyst and Hzrdus True boots and before baking it feels like I'd have to go up to an 8W in the Hzrdus. The one plus, if I was using them for ice hockey, would be that the 8W uses a 272mm holder like I'm used to whereas with the 7 and 7.5 I'd have to get used to a smaller 263mm holder or have 272mm holders installed for an additional fee. The Catalyst and Hzrdus toe cap does feel more comfortable than the TF series toe cap - so they've improved that IMHO. With how much extra room I got after baking and breaking in the TF9s, I may want to try a 7.5W...of course that'd be best to do if I was buying from a store that participated in the 30 day satisfaction guarantee while that's still running. Now, I know that I've read that some people have had the heels crack with the TF9s and Catalyst skates. That did happen to one person in my inline league with the TF9 boots, but mine are holding up well. True claims to have addressed the issue with the Hzrdus line (I haven't seen or read about cracking issues with the Hzrdus line; so, hopefully they did fix it). They still require completely unlacing the top two eyelets, really loosening the rest and then twisting your foot to get in and out, but I do know some officials that use the Hzrdus and Catalyst lines that say they're comfortable on the ice for days where they have several games.

I wore neck guards growing up to play and those old ones from the 80s and 90s weren't very comfortable. I had to start wearing them again when I started reffing a little over a decade ago (it's required for minor hockey in Canada) and the newer Kevlar guards are much more comfortable than the old foam ones. I have several shirts with built in Kevlar neck guards from both Bauer and CCM and they're all comfortable. I rotate them when one is in the wash so that I always have a fresh, clean one. I also picked up a stand alone Sherwood Kevlar neck guard on sale as a backup and it's also comfortable. Bauer also makes (or at least made a few years ago) an elite Kevlar neck guard that's stand alone. I would say the key to finding one that's comfortable is to look for something thin and made with Kevlar. I haven't used one to play since minor hockey, but the recent incident makes me consider it. I definitely wouldn't chirp anyone who chooses to do so.

Since Bauer owns Mission and the Mission skates are built on the Supreme last, I believe that a 7.5 Bauer ice boot and a 7.5 Mission inline boot would be the same length. Of course, the different materials may make them feel different, but I think 7.5D would be your best bet in Mission if you used 7.5 Bauer ice boots. With that said, I agree with you that the the AS1 inline boots in the same size as your AS3 ice skates is the safest option. They will also be stiffer than the WM02 Missions and are a one piece carbon composite boot. The only downside to the AS1 inline boots that I see are the outdoor wheels (if you plan on using them indoors).

For your needs, a Force Krome referee girdle and some Bauer Officials shin guards would be a lightweight, breathable solution with enough protection to cover the odd fall or shot.

The friction wear is on both the rocker arms and where the front arms are inserted into the chassis. To prolong the life of the chassis and arms, taking them apart and cleaning them once in a while helps slow down this wear. Using them outdoors will make them wear faster since there's more grit and dirt out there - if you use them outdoors then you should clean them more frequently.

Well, I know I fit a 8EE Mako/Mako II with my toes lightly brushing the end and the Bauer 3D scanner says I'd be a 7.5 Fit 3 in Bauer...so based on that, the Bauer Fit 3 may be about a half size longer than a EE Mako. That's interesting that the EE Bauers are actually a little longer. It seems that the company should keep the length the same and only change the width, but based on your experience and Vet88's actual measurements, it does seem that the EE Bauers were longer than their D counterparts in the same size at some point. It's hard to say if that's still the case. Nothing will beat trying them on of course.

First, the EE Vapor may feel longer than the D Vapor simply because it's wider and isn't compressing the sides of your foot. When the side of your foot is compressed, it's elongated. I wear 8EE Mako II skates, but when I demoed Bauer skates at Modsquad events, I wore 7.5EE. I also scan as a 7.5 Fit 3 on the Bauer 3D scanner. I know in the Mako thread some people used the same size as Bauer, but others, like me, went up a half size. I also have a pair of True TF9 boots converted to inline and had to go down to 7W for those boots (the TF9 fits about a half size longer than Bauer and a full size longer than the Makos after baking and break in). Those are pretty similar to Makos, but are stiffer, have less flexible tendon guards and more volume in the toe cap. The new True Catalyst line has a more flexible tendon guard and a streamlined toecap; so, they're even more Makoesque. True adusted the sizing on those to better align with CCM and Bauer - so I believe I would need to go up to 7.5W with the Catalyst skates. In general, a half size is about a 4 to 5 mm difference in length.

The fact that you scan as a 7 doesn't surprise me at all since I wear 10W dress shoes and scan as a 7.5 Fit 3. Sizing can of course vary by brand and model, while I'd be a 7.5 Fit 3 in Bauer, I have 7W in True Tf9s converted for inline and 8EE in Easton Mako II's. Fit 3 is the deepest and widest Bauer skate and a D Vapor would be the shallowest and narrowest. So, the Vapor 8.5Ds were obviously way too narrow and long for your feet. That would certainly explain the discomfort. It's good you went with fit over brand. I hope the ASV's treat you well.

The 8090's in D were more like an E width in most skates. They're definitely both wider and deeper than a D width Vapor. The Bauer length also changed sometime after the 8090 came out - most people needed to go down a half a size. So, if you picked up Vapors in the same size as your old 8090s, you may have bought skates that are too long and too narrow for your feet. They may have felt like the right length because the sides compressed your foot and made them feel shorter than they really are. I'd start by going to a good shop with a Bauer 3D scanner and get your feet scanned. That will give you a good starting point as it'll recommend a size and Fit for Bauer, but try on various skates around that size in all the brands and models you can.

Either buy serviceable bearings (the ones you can take the covers off) and clean and relube them a couple times a year or buy really cheap bearings and replace them a few times a year. I notice a big difference between cheap and quality wheels, but I can't say I notice a big difference in bearings. I'll usually use bearings for a while indoors and then relegate them to outdoor use when they get a bit loud (even after cleaning and relubing if they're serviceable), but still spin fine. If they aren't rolling smoothly and they can't be serviced then they're thrown out.

I have TF9 boots converted for inline and they're very good boots, but the toe cap isn't quite as comfortable for me as the Mako toe cap. I tried on a pair of Catalyst skates the other day and the Catalyst toe cap feels VERY similar to the old Mako toe cap. I believe that they'll also be using the same toe cap on the new Hzrdus skate that will replace the TF line this summer.

You can't make any boots smaller or remove negative space. There's no brand or model that allows for this. You're right, the thermoformability of Trues makes them expand around your feet, plus you can get a good wrap, but it definitely doesn't allow them to shrink around your feet. Beyond thermoformability, with Trues or any skate brand, you can punch or stretch them to make them wider, longer or deal with pressure points. Plus, padding compresses with use. That's why if you're between sizes, it's generally better to go with the smaller size. With Trues, it's ideal to have them feel too small and a bit too tight before baking and break in. If you feel room before baking, that's definitely not going to go away with baking - you'll only get more room after baking and break in.

I guess I have hallway shaped feet as the TF9 boots in W really hug my feet, but I scan as a Fit 3. For Fit 1 type feet, I can imagine the hotdog in a hallway feeling would be accurate. I experienced that feeling when I tried in Nexus skates (my forefoot is wide, but my heel and ankle isn't) years ago.

I agree that the TF series isn't ideal Fit 1 type feet. In the TF series the R width is more likely to work for a Fit 2 type foot and the Wide is actually a bit wider in the forefoot than Fit 3, but provides better heel lock for my feet and has average depth. From what I have read, the Catalyst line in R would be much better than the TF series for a Fit 1 foot.

A couple things that may help getting them on and off: Make sure you really loosen the laces and completely undo the top two eyelets (to rethread the top two eyelets when they're on your feet, thread behind the tongue and then pull the laces in front) Twist your foot in and out. If you're already doing those two things and still have pain, try spot heating and flaring out the top of the boot a bit, like in this video: That won't help with the negative space, but should solve issues with getting them on and off. If the negative space is width wise, there may not be much you can do. If you're talking about the negative space above the toe box then powerfoot inserts or a homemade version of those could help. If you have a narrow foot, the Catalyst line in True might work better for your feet than the TF series. I have a wide forefoot and there's very little negative space in my TF9s - each foot is different though.

I would do the wrap first, see how that feels and if you still want to to try to tighten things up, you could try spot heating and clamping. Generally, it's hard to remove negative space in any boot - it's easier to gain a little space by heating, punching/stretching and just by padding compressing over time. That's why having a skate that's a little too snug to start isn't terrible. If it starts out too roomy, it's harder to deal with that. With all of that said, my experience with the TF9 has only been in Wide. I assume you ordered the R width and that won't be as wide in the forefoot as the W models. Hopefully they'll work well for you. If not, you could give the Catalyst 9's a shot with their 30 day satisfaction guarantee or see how the Hzrdus skates fit when they come out this summer.

Like Sniper9, I've just done a lot of research and I also have a pair of TF9s converted to inline that I did an in depth review on for a roller hockey blog. My primary ice skates for both reffing and playing are Easton Mako II's which are based on a similar zero negative space speed skate inspired concept and before that I was using KOR skates that were also speed skate inspired monocoque boots. Plus, I have average to narrow heels/ankles and a very wide forefoot - the TF series in W seems to be the only thing out there right now that works for me - the Bauer and CCM skates have moved to a narrow all over, average all over or wide all over fit. I need snug in the back and roomy in the front. I really don't care which brand makes the skate as long as it fits well, True is just the best fit for me at the moment without having to pay for custom skates. For you, I don't know if the TF series would be the fit you want because you specifically mentioned not wanting space in the toe box. They work for me because I have a very wide forefoot. I haven't tried on the Catalyst skates, but from what I can see and read, they've definitely removed a lot of negative space in that area with that lineup. They may do the same thing with the Hzrdus skate that's supposed to replace the TF line in the summer, but we won't know for sure until they're out in the summer. I actually don't know if I'd fit in the Catalyst myself since I'm hearing they aren't as wide in the forefoot and I need the width in that area that the TF series provides. I'm hoping the Hzrdus will fit - I still have a stockpile of Mako II skates, but when those are depleted I'd prefer to be able to hunt for a deal on stock skates rather than having to pay up for customs. As @Hills said, I was referring to Cat Pros and the steps I listed were just cut and paste from the True site. The SVH Customs are made custom to your feet based on the scans - if you want a completely custom skate and are willing to pay for it, I believe the SVH Custom is the way to go. I'll get by with clearance or sale top end retail boots for as long as possible - if none of those fit, then I'd consider customs.

The True app is probably sizing you for the latest line, the Catalyst. They adjusted the sizing with the Catalyst to be closer to Bauer and CCM lengthwise. It's the TF9 and TF7 that were longer than Bauer and CCM in the same size and that's not the case with the Catalyst. To the best of my knowledge, the SVH Customs are the custom version of the TF line and upcoming Hzrdus line. It's a custom boot built around your scan. The Catalyst Pro is the custom version of the Catalyst, but it's not built from the ground up using your scan like the SVH Custom. They call it their "tailored" custom option. Here's what they do: STEP 1: INITIAL FOOT ASSESSMENT Determine if size, width and general foot shape are within parameters STEP 2: 3D ANATOMICAL FOOT SCAN Identify the perfect shell size for player's feet in up-to-quarter sizing STEP 3: TAILORED IN CANADA Internal layers and thermoformable materials of the skate are personally tailored to exact shape of foot STEP 4: ADDED PERSONALIZATION Tongue and steel can be personalized with player's name and number STEP 5: PICK UP + HEAT MOLD Skates arrive at retail location for prescriptive heat molding to take place So, they can use quarter sizes and add some thermoformable material, but they're using a selection of shells that already exist.

That's a good point, but the True skates are designed to be baked, so it's unfair to compare them unbaked to a skate that doesn't change much after baking (like an older Bauer boot where baking only helps with break in). If you are comparing them both after baking, then it's a good comparison.

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You don't gain much, if anything, widthwise. I had to spot heat some areas in the forefoot/toebox myself. The space you gain from the foams compressing is lengthwise. I prefer to have my toes brushing when standing straight and only coming off when my knees are bent in an athletic skating position - that's why I'm in a half size smaller than I was scanned for in Bauer skates and a full size smaller than my Easton Makos. If you don't like your toes to touch and still have good heel lock, I can see why you'd go with the same size as Bauer/CCM. The powerfoot inserts, or trying to make your own from some dollar store foam will solve the toebox volume issue.

Even after baking, you still gain room after about 10 or more hours of hard skating as the foams compress (I'd say about another quarter size). So, what may feel like the right size now, may be a little roomy after some time. The only way you'll know is by skating on them and seeing - that's why the 30 day satisfaction guarantee on the True skates was great when they first came out. I doubt that'll apply to clearance skates, but at the prices they're going at, it's worth the gamble and you'd probably be able to resell them if necessary without losing too much money if they end up being too big. The foams that take up space above the toe box are called powerfoot inserts. With that said, adjusting the tongue as low as it can go in the toe box is a good, free first step that you can try to see if that helps.

As a fellow fat duck footed individual, I wish you the best of luck. Keep in mind that even after baking, you'll gain an extra few mm of space after you skate in them for 10+ hours and the padding compresses.