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  1. Vet88, it all goes back to my original statement R&D they are pushing it because at a high level skates break down much faster then at a consumer level, so they over engineer on purpose to test how much adaption is there from pro players, if they go too far they dial it down in the next model. Without proper and intelligent R&D process you wont find that fine line where to push it. At this point comparing True's R&D to Bauer is comparing a 12 year old boxing against an adult heavy weight. Technology is never built for a superior athlete go back to manual transmission vs automatic, it's built to take an average athlete and move him or her to a much higher level. This is where smart R&D is critical.
  2. I apologize I did not realize that post count is the main deciding factor on level of expertise. And Yes I stand behind my statement 100% not only Scott, so is anyone one else from the speed skating industry has no clue about what works in hockey and what doesn’t. Because the speed skating industry is build on Hobby approach, Olympic athletes use guys that build skates in their small shops with almost zero R&D. There is no money in speed skating industry at a high level and there is no low level, so no one will invest millions of dollars in R&D without any returns, for this reason it’s a hobby approach with exception of Bont that started in the 70’s. Everybody else copied Bont and their ideas including Scott, so I repeat he has zero knowledge on skate engineering, skate development or R&D when it comes to hockey. Jeff if you want to get personal, you don’t know me, but I know you, you have zero credibility in my book because I saw you skate once and this told me everything I need to know about your level of expertise. To give proper advice you must be able to relate to the person you are giving advise too because hockey is as much about feel as science, so if you call yourself an expert with high post count, you must be at least at a decent skating level to test any technology that comes your way and formulate an intelligent opinion. If you sit in your office and formulate opinions based on this guy came in liked it and this guy came in didn’t like it, you are not an expert you are a “Poll Conductor”. For some reason you are still unable to put forward an engineering argument for True skate and why it is better. At the risk of very cheesy self promotion click on my profile then click on my webpage and read in the section of “ Skate Fit vs. Skate Function”. You will understand why things the way they are.
  3. Goalies do not skate, they need more anatomical boot then players because of different bio-mechanics. The number of players that try the skate does increase key word here is "Try" NHL players can afford to try anything, give them one or two years skating 5 days per week on rigid carbon fiber and then come back we'll see how many still skate without complications. NHL ice is softer then most rinks, take that into consideration when the biggest target market for hockey is 12-16 year old that don't skate on soft ice nor weigh 200+ lb. If you can prove to me from an engineering point of view how is True skate different from Kor, MLX, Mako and what makes it more unique or better then I'll listen.
  4. Parksey, 1S is the most upright boot on the market, but the heel to toe offset is the same on all Bauer skates, because they cut all of their boot patterns based on that holder offset. If True cut their pattern based on Tuuk Edge - most likely not anymore and had the same boot height, boot pitch and volume, it would feel the same, if not then it will mess up the angles on the boot pitch, in most cases more aggressive thus you’re on your toes, superfeet adds even more aggressiveness. If you have proper tools, you can cut a hole in the heel of your superfeet so you sit lower on your heel. First skate with a Bauer insole inside the VH and see how it feels. If VH upper is much deeper then 1S which does look deeper then you’re still on your toes because nothing is holding you in upright position, unless that upper eyelets are cut back to the same depth as 1S. Nothing can be done to it, once a pattern is cut you can’t stretch the boot anymore into a different pitch angle, if you add front lifts to be more upright you’ll change your heel to toe offset and it will screw things up even more. Same with the eyelets it would be difficult to shift the volume by ¼” and not rip apart that section. Flip12… you have a lot to learn on skate engineering and bio-mechanics before making ridiculous statements. Graf initially was engineered by a speed skater not a hockey player, with one goal in mind speed. Graf went out of business because of aggressive boot pitch, low cut boot, soft boot and lack of understanding what works in hockey, they dominated because at the time no one knew too much what works in hockey. Players are injured today because they are fixated on speed and nothing else with 13-foot profiles and flat spots; those that skate on smaller radius and no flat spot are less prone to injury.
  5. Last time I checked Kor, MLX, Mako are buried, I think there is a free spot reserved for VH in the same cemetery. Innovation and new fresh ideas is always a good thing, hockey is too advanced of an industry for hobby type approach.
  6. Without knowing what type of Bauer skates you use, holder type and if you tie up your laces all the way up or not. Few things to look at: You are now using a speed skating boot for hockey, so if you're not a 230lb with very thick legs and feet, you are fighting too much stiffness in all the wrong places. If the stiff boot forced you not to tie up your laces all the way up, no resistance at the top so nothing holding your foot in the upright position, that means your body weight is too much on your toes (ball of you feet), this puts more stress on your shins and it's very unnatural position so don't expect it to go away with more playing time. Lower cut boot, if True is lower cut then your Bauer - same thing not enough resistance at the top, too much weight on the front section of your foot. Arch, if the slope of the arch in the True skate is lower so less contact with your plantar surface, this effects blood flow and stretching effect on your plantar fascia, that means it effects all your other leg muscles including your Achilles heel all teh way to your back, neck.... If that arch is too high, same thing you can't push through it, the foot is not stretching properly, same issues will occur, there is a small threshold where it works perfectly all other situations it works against you regardless of the skate model you use, it's all about matching your plantar surface geometry to the skate midsole geometry.
  7. The biggest problem we have in our industry is the speed skating industry is our little brother that always wants to join our club. Speed skating industry is tiny in comparison to hockey as far as inventing a product and making enough money on it. So every year there is always a newer invention that is pushed on the hockey industry in trying to make a go of it where the focus is always on speed more speed more glide and more speed. Hockey is not about speed it never was and never will be, because we have a limited box size, speed kills in our industry, that’s why very few super fast guys have long and prosperous careers in NHL. Hockey is about agility, agility equals – longevity, we have sudden directional changes, that creates an inconsistent playing field, so any product that is aimed at increasing only one aspect of the game at the expense of the other would not be consistent enough over a long period of time. That is why speed skating industry and its inventions never worked in our industry. If we look at the tests they did, no one skates like that in real life in a straight line with perfect angles, all these “Fixture” tests are always in one direction so no turning, stopping or any agility testing is done at different angles, it would be impossible to create such a precise test. So this loophole is always explored, if we can’t disproof it that means it’s good for us. NHL and it’s EQM can afford to invest in custom sharpening equipment if they saw a significant advantage to this technology, in fact they don’t need to invest, they can afford to discard each blade after each period and never resort to any sharpening at all.
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