JONES199 6 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 Are all skates "pitched" the same? I notice that most of the forwards on my kids team skate in Vapors and most of the D skate in Supremes. Is this a coincidence or is there a difference in the way the skates make you stand? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonesy9020 77 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 There is a slight difference in the "cant" of the boot, or basically how the back of the boot and tendon guard position you. The Vapor puts you leaning forward a little bit more naturally, while the Supreme is more neutral/straight up and down. In my opinion, the overall fit of the boot (narrow for Vapor and average for Supreme) is a far more important consideration when buying skates. Put another way, if I were a D-man with a narrow foot, I'd get a Vapor, if I were a forward with a slightly wider foot, I'd get a Supreme. You can adjust the setup with profiling and shimming after the fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JONES199 6 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 That makes sense. Do you happen to know what skate in the CCM line of skates is most like the Supreme, mid to fat foot, neutral stance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonesy9020 77 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 Jetspeeds are the closest fit. If you find you need a wider forefoot, look at the Tacks or outgoing RBZ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JONES199 6 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 Thanks again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markush 12 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 CCM for example has three different settings: ribcor 10 degrees, Jetspeed 13, Tacks 16 degrees forward flex in the boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qmechanic 17 Report post Posted July 25, 2015 Pitch makes a huge difference to me. I tried Grafs which have an aggressive forward pitch and I hated them (and I was mostly playing forward). I went back to Bauer Supreme which has a neutral pitch and skated so much better. It's usually recommended that forwards want a little more forward pitch and defenseman want a little more neutral pitch. The reason is that defensemen skate backwards, so a more neutral pitch is better for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonesy9020 77 Report post Posted July 25, 2015 Pitch does make a huge difference, and if you have a foot that can fit multiple lines of skates, you can absolutely pick one based on what you think you need for your game. However, it's a LOT harder to change the overall fit of a boot around your foot with a sometimes months-long process of baking, punching, and stretching, than it is to change the pitch, which can be pretty easily and inexpensively done with shimming and profiling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baz1985 5 Report post Posted July 25, 2015 What pitch is NXG skates anyone? Sorry for jumping in on the post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AIREAYE 248 Report post Posted July 25, 2015 CCM for example has three different settings: ribcor 10 degrees, Jetspeed 13, Tacks 16 degrees forward flex in the boot.Interesting; source? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markush 12 Report post Posted July 26, 2015 Interesting; source?I am sure its from a trusted source - hard to remember right now from where I got it, think I saw a video from the CCM product manager. But should be no problem to get this confirmed by CCM itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonesy9020 77 Report post Posted July 26, 2015 What pitch is NXG skates anyone? Sorry for jumping in on the post.I don't have the exact degrees like markush, but the NXG (and for that matter the entire Supreme line) is neutral. The tendon guard is more or less straight up and down and there is the least amount of forward-pitched/profiling on the steel/holder/outsole of any major brand skate out at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrrSmith 4 Report post Posted July 27, 2015 Maybe someone from CCM could clarify the degree of forward flex. I just recently read somewhere that the JetSpeed's were 10 degrees, Ribcore 13 degrees, Tacks 16 degrees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrrSmith 4 Report post Posted July 29, 2015 Maybe someone from CCM could clarify the degree of forward flex. I just recently read somewhere that the JetSpeed's were 10 degrees, Ribcore 13 degrees, Tacks 16 degrees. Just got a reply from CCM. Jetspeed's and Ribcore are both 13 degrees forward flex and Tacks are 16 degrees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyanad 3 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 Just got a reply from CCM. Jetspeed's and Ribcore are both 13 degrees forward flex and Tacks are 16 degrees.Do you have any informations about the forward flex of Bauer Vapor/Supreme skates too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sticktime 12 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 For anyone that likes a neutral profile, or a flatter more balanced stance, which if I'm not mistaken, the older Tuuk models offer, has anyone taken a little bit off of the back of the blade? Kind of like a -1 pitch. This is in regard to the new style of holders that reebok, Easton, and I think the tuuk's as well offer, in that they all seem to claim to be 3-4 mm higher for a better angle of attack. I'm wondering if this new height has ever thrown anyone's balance off, and opposed to dealing with it and adapting, has anyone done a minor reverse pitch? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrrSmith 4 Report post Posted August 16, 2015 For anyone that likes a neutral profile, or a flatter more balanced stance, which if I'm not mistaken, the older Tuuk models offer, has anyone taken a little bit off of the back of the blade? Kind of like a -1 pitch.This is in regard to the new style of holders that reebok, Easton, and I think the tuuk's as well offer, in that they all seem to claim to be 3-4 mm higher for a better angle of attack. I'm wondering if this new height has ever thrown anyone's balance off, and opposed to dealing with it and adapting, has anyone done a minor reverse pitch?The CXN Easton holder has an increased pitch but the Bauer edge and the CCM +4 have increased the height at the toe and heel so haven't really increased the pitch. Someone else could comment on this as well to make sure I am correct on this.Do you have any informations about the forward flex of Bauer Vapor/Supreme skates too?I don't actually have the degree of forward flex for the Supreme/Vapor skates. I could check with Bauer. Does anyone know that answer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sticktime 12 Report post Posted August 16, 2015 Let me ask it another way, since I thought of it a different way.It feels as if the flat spot that you skate on is in line with the front of my ankle. Makes it feel like I'm skating on the back portion of the skate. I'm on a neutral profile, 9' radius, size 6. I feel like I want to be balanced midway between the ball of my foot and the middle of my foot. Have I lost my mind in thinking that I'd need a reverse pitch then? Meaning doing a -1 or -2 pitch?If I went to a bigger radius, say 10' or 11' I think that would only exacerbate the current feeling of lots of steel in the heel area. Though it would put more steel at the front too, and maybe I'd like that?Can't think straight today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MThockeydad 469 Report post Posted August 17, 2015 Get your skates profiled for a forward pitch, or add a shim to your heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
