Sniper9
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23 minutes ago, 218hockey said:The new McDavid curve? Wasn't the P28 the Hall curve?
P28 was never associated to Hall. As far as I can recall hall was p92 (at the time E3)
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On 4/11/2024 at 4:13 AM, Yardelm said:Love this topic. Recently start switching back and forth between p28 variants and p92/p90/p90tm/benn curves. Variety is the spice of life!
My question is, has anyone used the Pastrnak or Kucherov Bauer custom curves? Can’t seem to find much info on these but really want to try them but don’t want to buy both just to try them haha.
From what I can gather, despite being similar they play different.
Also for those interested, I’m pretty sure that Sher-Wood’s p28 is actually the Fisher variant (which is what the Kuch is I think?). It has a smoother and more gradual curve, definitely less of a flat spot and is noticeably shorter. Check out the images below.
Based on Bauers old marketing from Insta, the Sher-Wood looks identical to what Bauer claims is the Fisher.
Similarity is remarkable isn’t it?
Bauer’s Insta p28 (left) vs Fisher (right): https://ibb.co/F80Pmbq
Sher-Wood p28 (right) vs Bauer p28 (left): https://ibb.co/7Gz19PG
Does anyone have experience playing with the Kuch or Pasta variants? How do they compare to the p28 in terms of shooting, puck handling etc?
Ie) if the Sher-Wood is in fact a Fisher, I notice my accuracy for some reason is not as pin point, perhaps because of the shorter blade, not sure. That said, the gradual curve removes that dead spot of the p28 and getting a shot off that doesn’t flub is substantially better (I used to play high level across the pond and fully admit this sometimes still happens to me with a p28! - also where my obsession with trying different curves started. Loved it when reps came with all their different sticks and curves to try!). Plus puck control is better, again possibly because of the shorter blade. Passing is almost the same but sauce is easier with the Sher-Wood p28 Fisher like curve. Trade offs right?What do you guys think? Would love to hear from some Pasts/Kuch or Fisher users? Thoughts on the Sher-Wood Fisher p28 vs Bauer p28 analysis?
Bauer, ccm, true, warrior, sher wood all have very subtle differences in their iteration of the p28. So you might be on to something with ones being based off certain pro curves.
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On 3/7/2024 at 12:17 PM, acura9927 said:Just picked up a Titanium by Ribcore on clearance. Its the one that was based on the 76k with the black tongue and added height in the steel that I don't see at all. I got it because it by far on of the best fitting skates I have ever tried on and wanting to get the new old stock ribcores out there in the stores.
I will say thats its a heavy skate, much more hefty than my Supreme M4 that is in the same mid level performance level.
CCM RIBCOR Titanium Senior Hockey Skates (2019) (thehockeyshop.com)
Didn't you just get the matrix
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2 hours ago, acura9927 said:I can push the sides of the Matrix easier than the M4. Very soft boot at this price point.
That's very interesting!
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4 hours ago, acura9927 said:Went back to USA and to my local shop and tried on the Matrix. Felt better than the Ultrasonics and the Machs. So the shop matched Canada's price and did the USD/CAD conversion for me. The Matrix same size, fit 2 is wider in forefoot and toecap than Ultrasonics. The Mach just did not feel good to me at all.
I am very happy with how the whole day ended.
Sounds about right about how they are roomier in the toecap and forefoot. I did mentioned this above but I stated the Mach not matrix. But the matrix is essentially a softer boot version of the Mach and is an SMU skate. It's interesting you found the matrix more comfortable than the machs. I'm guessing it's probably the stiffness as it's a very comfy skate to me and others but I like a stiff skate. Machs are the most comfy retail skate I've worn.
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10 hours ago, acura9927 said:Thanks, Thats a pretty good price right? Its 335 including tax when I convert CAD to USD but I have to drive 2.5 hrs to Langley BC to buy it. I live in Seattle.
I don't need the skate I have new M4s. But the price, dang its hard to resist.
Oh yeah, add 50 bucks gas.
I always thought online retailers in Canada could ship Bauer and ccm to the US now. But I'm obviously wrong.
You sure these fit? The ultrasonics has a pretty narrow forefoot and toecap. They made the fit 1 and 2 2mm wider. I fit a fit 2 in the ultrasonics and the fit 1 crushed my feet. But I fit a fit 1 mach perfectly. Fit 3 stayed the same.
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2 hours ago, acura9927 said:I have a chance to buy new Ultrasonics for about 335 dollars. How is the tendon guard holding up for you guys that have had it for a few years?
As long as you don't use the tendon guard to remove and put on your skates you'll be fine. It's the same tendon guard as the machs m5 pro 3s pro. It feels solid to me. But like any tendon guard it'll wear and break eventually if you use it like I mentioned above.
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15 hours ago, belgocanuck said:Thanks for your update. I am getting Ellipse 1 done this week for myself (287mm holders). Based on your experience with Quads vs Ellipses, would it be fair to say Quads are a more stable profile vs Ellipse? I am looking for a profile to recommend to some of the players I coach. Thanks
You definitely feel more blade on the ice so ya you do feel more stable but with that said I don't feel unstable with the ellipse. I feel more agile and feel like I can transition more smoothly which is exactly what it's advertised to be. With the quad I feel it kind of forces you to have longer strides where the ellipse with less blade contact my strides feel shorter. Def a benefit with "quick feet" for me on acceleration
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Just an update with my experience with the ellipse 0. I'm sticking to it and like it much more than the quad 0. I've honestly never felt as comfortable in my skates as with this profile. I really liked the quad 0, but my experience with the ellipse has be awesome. I know it's not for everyone but it's definitely for me!
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2 hours ago, 218hockey said:If anyone is really interested, many people sharpen on a SPARX. I don't care and don't know what that has to do with this thread.
Nobody has heard of Skatscribe is a fair statement as well as an accurate one. Where is the Skatscribe in Minneapolis? The Twin Cities is the center of the hockey world in the United States. Minnesota has 50,000 youth players, 254 varsity high school teams, 100 Jr Gold teams, 6 D-1 programs. I'm in the middle of nowhere, far from Minneapolis yet less than an hour drive to 15 arenas and 35 sheets of ice. Nobody at any of those places has heard of this.
I need new skates soon and at least two new sets of runners and would love to utilize the newer Ellipse technology but I'm not sending boxes of gear off to another country.
Then keep digging to see if there are shops that will do the ellipse with the prosharp templates then. It's not a skatescribe specific profile, it's a prosharp one. I find it hard to believe there are none in the US that will do it, but if you're not willing to ship within the states and you can't find any places locally then give up on it.
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5 minutes ago, Leif said:His family were big in speed skating, and he got to national level. The first skates he made were speed skates, so perhaps some of the ideas he has brought to hockey skates came from the speed skating world, as well as his later involvement in MLX. And as you mention, perhaps his biomechanics background helped. I can’t help thinking that the popularity of Bauer in the UK, compared to CCM and True, is due in large part to availability.
I think @VegasHockeyknows all about the history of svh and true....
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34 minutes ago, VegasHockey said:I know plenty of players that use their products and have had no issues, from recreational to professional levels. Historically, TRUE has had some bumps in the road, as all companies do when they are growing, and I understand that you and others have likely experienced some product defects. However, the vast majority of players have not had that same experience. I don't think its fair to use such a small sample size to determine if a product is or is not durable.
An interesting story. I have some TRUE prototype sticks that have no logos on them. One person I skate with who played NCAA D1 dislikes TRUE as a company. There was no specific reason; he just said he had tried their sticks before and didn't care for them. In a recent game, he broke his primary and backup sticks and asked to use one of my extras. After the game was done, he told me that the stick was one of the best he had ever used and asked me if I could order him a few. You should have seen his face when I told him it was TRUE. It was TRUEly priceless 😜
I don't deny true sticks and skates perform well. But I stand by durability issues. It's well known a documented with their sticks and also their catalyst skates. To the point where at one point every cat pro skate had additional cf fibre wrapped on the stock shell... The skate issue seemed somewhat hit or miss ill give you that. But their sticks don't last. At all. Unless your definitely of durability is completely different than mine. A stick should last more than two weeks. And I'm talking at the retail level, not pro stock as I have no experience with their pro stock.
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Is this becoming discontinued for a newer model? I'm seeing some markdowns and it being less available online in some bigger stores
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1 hour ago, VegasHockey said:Scott started by initially building custom skates to establish himself in the market and provide players with an option for a better fitting and performing skate. Not saying that other skates didn't offer high performance, but some players were skating in significant pain, even in the custom skates, and many of them considered hanging up their skates due to constant foot problems. Once he built up the brand enough, he sold it to TRUE Temper, as they were looking to expand into the hockey skate market and had extensive access to research, development, engineering, materials, and distribution. He is a very smart individual and has a bachelor of Science Degree and a Masters in Biomechanics. What I find most fascinating about Scott is that, while other brands are constantly duplicating similar efforts in design, and getting similar results, he likes to think outside the box.
Good for Svh... But True is making a name for themselves as the brand that doesn't last... They really need to smarten up with durability with all their "extensive access to r/d"
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22 hours ago, iceman8310 said:Never heard of the the g75 and pk7900? Those are skates with modern tech
When were they released? Exactly. "modern". Carbon fiber isn't modern. How you integrate it with the boot with other materials etc is what puts you apart. CCM and true has a great thermoformable recipe. True also has superior comfort. Bauer has their trustee curv composite that gets tweaks every so years.
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If Graf started using more modern tech and materials, that would likely have to redesign their boots. You can't just replace the leather with carbon fiber and expect it to fit and feel the same but lighter and more durable. There's more too that than swapping materials. I don't see graf ever evolving to the level of technology as Bauer true and ccm. They have a market in Europe and it'll probably just stay that way. I'm assuming they also don't have the size and money for the R/D as well.
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4 hours ago, VegasHockey said:Pro Sharp stinks, and they got even worse when Bauer acquired them. Go to a store that has an Elite machine or Skatescribe. A Skatescribe machine can do ANY profile.
Ya I got my ellipse done on a skatescribe from Tydan. Super fast turnaround since it's automated and the edges were perfect.
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5 hours ago, VegasHockey said:That is exactly how it should feel. Some like the added agility and are ok with losing some stability.
Ya it's pretty much what I hoped/expected it to be.
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Just tried the ellipse 0 coming off the quad 0 for the last 7 years. Prior to that I was on a standard 9'. I definitely felt the difference. I felt more agile during transitions and turns but also noticed a bit of sacrifice in stability. Overall I like it and am sticking with it for a few more skates. But my first impressions are good and after the first skate I didn't feel like I needed to or wanted to go back to the quad 0. After a few skates I'll swap back to the quad 0 for a final decision.
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2 hours ago, acura9927 said:Just not for me, I returned them. Perhaps its just me, not giving it enough time but I just don't have the patience to get adjusted to it. Doesn't help that public skating near me is 16.50 to 18 bucks a session now.
They're definitely not for everyone. For me I didn't feel like I had to adjust really at all.
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3 hours ago, Leif said:It’s based on a lot of reading around and experience. For example, I’ve come across a number of people who learnt to skate incredibly rapidly. I got to chatting to them all, and in every case their background explained it. One was a professional dancer. Another had boxed at a high level. Another was a black belt in martial arts. Another had skied for many years. A good example from a book is the case of Kenyan long distance runners who dominated in competition. Someone researched this and discovered they all came from one area where from a young age they ran long distances. Their culture had trained their bodies to excel. When you research successful people, you usually find an early obsession, or opportunities. If someone comes from a family of musicians, they’ll pick it up naturally, they will have ‘talent’. teachers will see ‘talent’ and give them extra encouragement and teaching. Matthew Syed was Britain’s top table tennis player. Most of our best players including Syed came from one street. Turns out they all had access to a table, allowing them to practice huge amounts.
Obviously you need the right physique for a sport e.g. fast twitch muscles for sprinting, tall for basketball. And you need a decent IQ to do well in academic scientific research.
However, everyone I have met believes that talent exists, that some people have it, some don’t. I won’t change anyone’s mind here, and anyway this is well off topic.
I recommend Mindset by Carol Dweck and books by Matthew Syed.
In this case, hockey talent aka hockey IQ is, imo is completely innate. All professional hockey players can pass, shoot, skate etc. What separates the best from the avg is what's in between their ears. The ability for them to read plays, and be in the right position instinctively. This isn't something that can be trained or taught imo. You can teach the basics and tell someone in this situation you should do this, but in a game situation there are so many variables and there is never one exact same situation. The great players can slow the plays down in their head and read other players and the ice that much better than the avg player. There are sports where it's all about conditioning and physical fitness, ie 100 metre dash, but sports like hockey, the best players are "born different".
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22 minutes ago, lpgbackups said:Whats funny is that Connor is still skating with his original Jetspeed skates released......8 years ago! I dont know of any NHL player who still skates in a model released earlier than that and Connor is objectively the best skater and subjectively the best player of all time.
Yup it's all personal preference. Leif is obviously very excited about his new found love for true, but it's all preference.
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5 minutes ago, Leif said:The issue is that I cannot get Shift runners in the UK, and Max Shift runners do not fit my holders. Fortunately I was able to get some Shift runners from Finland, just in case I need to replace my current ones.
Ah ok I read wrong. I thought you picked up extra holders. Makes sense now.
Shipping may be expensive but I know a lot of people sell the max shift holder with the black dlc runners as a set for cheap on sideline swap since it comes with their custom skates but they chose to use tuuks.
For example
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2 hours ago, Leif said:Max Shift runners have an extra sticky up bit which means they don’t fit Shift holders. Shift runners do however fit Max Shift holders. Our local shop retrofits Max Shift runners, by modifying the holder or the runners. I just bought the correct runners while still available.
I sharpen my blades weekly, but only one pass on my Sparx, runners last years as the Sparx takes off so little steel compared to hand sharpening.
Ok but you don't have the max shift runner. You have regular shift runner which will fit both holders.. so I don't now what the issue is. If you get the max shift holder for future you'll be able to use both regular shift runner and max shift runner with no modifications needed.
P28 Use Among NHL Defencemen
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Yes you're right. The og sakic isn't made anymore and the p92 was the "backstrom" that was slightly modified version of the sakic. I totally forgot about the evolutionary changes to the curve. I rmbr when I went to base hockey during that time and cliff ronning was telling me about the p92 they just got that was a newer sakic. After that visit I went out and got a p92 totalone lol.
With that said, the p92 versions across all brands are slightly different as well. You can tell not only just by looking at it but also how the tape lays on the blade when taping.
Back on the topic of the p28, I prefer Bauer and trues p28 over ccm, but I use ccm bc their sticks feel better for me. Well true feels good but they're as durable as toothpicks.