Same here Rick. I've gone through a few different pairs of inline skates over the past couple years and I finally said "I want a pair that fits just like my ice skates". I have a pair of older 652's (with the individual heelstrap eyelet) for ice skates and I figured the 852's could only be just as comfortable, if not more comfortable. I am tempted to buy another pair of the same size and just hold on to them for the future.