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On 12/8/2021 at 8:05 PM, Harv21 said:Not yet, I was rattled that I couldn’t fit into a Vapor I just left.
OP, you are not imagining things. i had the exact issue with Vapors. I am a Fit 3, wide foot. The vapor fit 3 was great in the ankle, the instep, but then it clamps down right before the toebox. That did not work for me.
The Supreme Fit 3 kept that depth nicely through the forefoot area. So that might be your ticket. But the toebox on the supremes is narrower than the vapor. too narrow for me. so those didnt work either.
I tried on the CCM FT4 Pro in their "Wide" fit and they were great. They maintained that depth through the ankle, instep, and forefoot and had a large enough toebox. had em for months, they are great.
If the supreme and vapor dont work for you, try on the jetspeeds and ribcors. dont be scared.
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On 9/25/2021 at 4:48 AM, Leif said:I cut holes in my hockey socks and shirts to reduce weight. Of course Jewish and Muslim men have another weight advantage, but I won’t go into details here, let’s just say there are some weight reduction measures that I consider too extreme.
you know whats funny i was just watching a preseason game and they were showing them mic'cing guys up and its this mic and has this battery/transmitter pack that looks like it weighs as much as a cell phone or something, and these dudes are wearing them all the time to play in actual NHL games. made me think of this thread and the "performance" enhancements 😂😂😂
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2 hours ago, psulion22 said:Though then a lighter runner would glide faster, but sharper edges could be used to counteract the loss of mass for ploughing force.
Here’s a very basic article essentially stating that all, and none, of the explanations for the slipperiness of ice are completely accurate.
https://www.insidescience.org/news/why-ice-slippery-its-not-simple-questionyeah, I don’t disagree with that at all. Even if friction melting is happening, most people are going to see more improvement by reducing weight in other places, mostly their midsections!
again this produces a zero effect on the player. its making the same argument as claiming that pulling threads from your jersey or cutting the tag out makes you faster or less fatigued. it doesnt. all the tens of thousands of pounds of force that a player, especially a pro, produces during a game are entirely unaffected by a 2 ounce lighter skate blade.
a blade on the ice creating ice melt has all the weight of the player on it, plus the compression force of the players leg accelerating that mass forward. so its 185+ lbs plus whatever compression force from the leg muscle. the weight of the skate blade is entirely negligible in that equation. the arguments being made here are purely semantics and not at all practical. its like talking about being faster by not wearing socks. its ludicrous.
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3 hours ago, PBH said:Highly heat conductive materials transfer temperature more easily than materials with low heat conductivity.
Composite made from carbon fiber and epoxy resin is a material with heat conductivity x 40 times less than aluminum and 10 times less than steel.
you have to spell it out for them, buddy. so if we are trying to keep the metal edge on the ice cool, what will pull heat away from it faster? metal or carbon fiber?
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4 hours ago, stick9 said:They've made huge strides in hockey helmet teach. You should try one.
ya huge strides from people who know science. psulion22 does not know science.
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1 hour ago, stick9 said:Nailed it!
Not only does he not nail it he's completely wrong on the physics. He's making all that up. About the ice and the heat! That's ludicrous and fake science.
More metal in the blade will disperse that heat better. Metal disperses heat very quickly. Carbon fiber does not. Carbon fiber would keep the blade warmer and insulate the top of the blade, trapping the heat. A standard metal top half will pull that heat away from the blade and quickly dissipate that heat to the environment.
Not to mention that's total nonsense for performance but it's just horrible science too.
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13 hours ago, psulion22 said:Manufacturers have been trying to shave grams off of the runner weight for decades, just like they've been trying to do to all the equipment. They switched the holders from metal to plastic. Then they added holes to them. Then they added holes to the steel runners. T Blades made a runner that was a smaller piece of metal and a lrger plastic holder. Bauer tried fusing aluminum to the steel. Now they're trying that with carbon fiber.
If there was no tangible benefit, skate manufacturers wouldn't have been trying to cut weight essentially since they started making skates. I agree that the redution of even 35% of the weight of a runner, which results in just a few grams, is likely not going to make anyone faster or better when taken as a weight savings. However, there are two reasons I can think of that would actually make a difference and cause an improvement in performance.
The first is overall weight distribution and balance. These runners are being included on Bauer's flagship skates. Those skates are incredibly light overall. Changing the distribution of the weight by even a few grams could make a pretty big difference to how the skates feel to the player. Reducing the amount of weight underneath the foot would likely improve the feeling the skater has with the ice. CCM has gone to one piece boots, not just to cut overall weight, but to eliminate the midsole and the weight under the foot as a result. As an example of this, forget the weight of composite vs wood sticks where the difference is huge, but look at how changing just a few grams here or there can result in a composite stick that feels too blade heavy, or not blade heavy enough to give good puck feel. Look at how adding one or two grams of lead tape to a golf clubs changes the swing weight and performance.
Second is playing off T Blades design, and goes along with the development of countless methods of reducing drag like blade profiles, FBV, Z Channel, Flare blades, and many others. Skating creates friction between the metal blade and the ice. That friction heats the metal and causes surface melting, that melting is what allows us to glide on the ice. When skates are too sharp, the edges penetrate the surface melt and dig, reducing glide. By reducing the amount of metal in the runner, you also reduce the mass of the blade. Reducing the mass of the blade allows it to heat faster and higher, causing more surface melt, and increasing glide. An increase in glide and a reduction of drag could increase overall speed, manueverability, efficiency, and endurance, far more than the simple reduction in weight of a few grams could. Plus, less metal likely means less rigidity, and more flex on the blade. That flex creates more energy return, acceleration, and stopping efficiency (part of the theory behind Bladetech runners).
so you do agree then that taking off your socks increases your performance and allows you to outcompete opponents. you think you could measurably show a player with improved stamina and agility because they didnt wear socks?
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17 hours ago, Buzz_LightBeer said:
you didnt add to the discussion. does taking off your socks make you faster and increase your stamina or not? answer the question. dont post memes for gods sakes.
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22 hours ago, stick9 said:/rolls eyes. You have two paths, add to the discussion or find a bridge to live under. Totally your call.
I'm illustrating the ludicrousness of my opponents argument. We are literally talking about playing in socks or not like it makes you faster and better 😆😆😆😆
Want to actually answer that argument or not? Does it?
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11 minutes ago, PBH said:To save weight I decided to not wear skate socks, a jock/cup, undershirt, helmet and elbow pads. I timed myself and saw a .00000001 improvement in my speed tests. Totally worth it.
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I actually practice in socks for power training then for games I take them off and honestly i am flying out there. its like my feet prisons made parole. you know how sprinters train with those little parachutes? this is like cutting off a full size parachute. my coach has actually yelled at me after a 2g 2a game because he said he thinks i am dogging it in practice 🤣 its like coach bro im wearing socks in practice bro 🙃
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Guys, GROUNDBREAKING LABORATORY DISCOVERY - Hockey socks weigh 2 oz. Yes its true, its damn true. By simply removing your hockey socks you too can skate faster, skate longer, and skate harder.
DOMINATE your competition. POUND their goal. LISTEN to their cries for mercy.
Just like a boxer in lighter gloves, remove your hockey socks and you will BLOW BY opponents who used to skate circles around you. Their wives will swoon in the stands. YOU be the next "S"ocket Richard!
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4 hours ago, stick9 said:For those still clinging to the whole weight doesn't matter, check out boxing gloves.
Time to put this one to bed.
thats an irrelevant example. boxing gloves are hanging off the ends of your arms. the glove has leverage. you are talking about a 60% weight increase. the punching motion is literally trying to throw that glove forward.
when you are skating, you have 200lbs extended out over 6 feet away from your skate that your one leg is trying to push. often times that 200 lbs has inertia so theres even more pounds of force at work against your leg. at least one skate blade is on the ground at all times. so you are talking about 200 pounds your moving, plus whatever is added by inertia forces and the leverage over 6 feet, and youre talking about an ounce or two hanging 6" off the ice and you think that makes any difference at all to your skating or stamina. it absolutely does not.
if we are talking about a stick, of course the lightness makes a difference! its 5 feet long and often you are manipulating it with just your wrist or forearm. theres so much leverage involved there that the lightness makes a difference. but a skate blade is hanging under your foot. it has no leverage. its a fraction of a percent of weight decrease.
if you put that on a blind test, i guarantee the results would come back as no discernible difference in skating or stamina. and you are wearing runners that cost you a bunch of money and snap on you and send you into the boards. its not good.
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1 hour ago, Westside said:I have zero interest in continuing any of this dialogue with you. You want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. I don’t give a shit about saving a few grams here and there, but you’re either missing the point of what I’m saying or you don’t care and just want to argue. Regardless, I’m done replying to you on this topic. Enjoy your miserable, angry life
you have zero interest because it makes no sense. all your effort is expended PUSHING with your legs. the part where your blade SITS on the ice. you guys are talking about an ounce or two on the foot thats not doing anything! its madness! the couple grams is below your hammies, they dont affect your skating. when you are pushing you are pushing around all the weight thats balanced on that edge and all the leverage your torso has. not the blade thats dangling 6" off the ice.
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Just now, Trotsky123 said:Cool thanks for that, unfortunately the local CCM retailer doesn’t carry the new range - I would be looking at the FT2’s which are currently on sale.
email ccm, they will respond quickly. they dont want returns! even if you cant return from where you are at, they wont know. tell them what you currently have and ask about the ft2's, just to double check.
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4 minutes ago, Trotsky123 said:They stay pretty narrow, based on a very bad sketch attempt they are roughly 30cm long and 10.5cm at the widest point. Relatively high arches, I’ve got superfeet in my Jetspeeds which I like. My previous skates were size 12 Supreme total one’s which I hated, the Jetspeeds feel comfy so I’m chasing a similar fit. The only physical hockey store in my country only stocks Bauer and they never carry large sizes so I feel like the safest option is to stick with Jetspeeds.
well jetspeeds now come in a tapered, regular and wide. high arches just mean your feet are curvy on the bottom, not that they have a high volume from top to bottom on the diagonal from your heel back to your ankle flex point. your instep is that area. if you like jetspeeds then i would email them for a quick double check, then you are good to order the regular.
does your local store carry a fit 1 in your size in the Supremes? they fit almost exactly like a jetspeed except a tighter toebox. jetspeeds toebox is just a bit roomier.
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On 9/13/2021 at 5:06 PM, Trotsky123 said:Hey thanks for that, I’ve got pretty narrow feet but the 2015 Jetspeeds fit me so I’ll factor that in. Unfortunately the skates come in through third party retailers and as far as I’m aware don’t have the return policy. I’ll do some more digging on that though.
the jetspeed comes in a "tapered" now. how narrow are your feet? and what about your instep and toes? do your feet widen out like a duck? or stay narrow? is your instep high? the vapor, jetspeed, and supreme all fit different in that way.
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4 minutes ago, Beerleaguebumhockey said:Was a joke, but in all seriousness as I work in metal fab, im curious why it hasn’t been done. I’m sure aluminum could be done, 6061, anodized, and probably would be strong enough, I’m actually curious. There is stronger versions of it as well. But who knows I’ve never heard of it being used. Instead we got carbon
did they ever make swords out of aluminum? not like fencing foils. actual swords meant to take a load and have an edge.
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1 minute ago, Beerleaguebumhockey said:Haven’t had the runners long enough to completely comment on the performance. Stick was a longer use example. However I’ve been impressed with their performance. Just not durability. If they can find a way, to make them more durable they are probably a performance upgrade. Every bit counts but to each their own
every bit does not count. your personal bodyweight fluctuates far more week to week than those runners. its absolutely a gimmick. i am all for gear whoring and love gear. but a couple grams here or there does not matter, at all.
when your legs are pushing you through a turn they are dealing with your entire bodyweight plus the g forces of your turn. the skate blade is LITERALLY ON THE GROUND having no impact on your leg at all. the only time that couple ounces has any affect is when you lift your leg UP, and thats the part of the stride that doesnt matter for anything! the only time the weight of your blade would matter is when your foot is OFF the ice. no skater gets tired from picking their skate blade up. its the PUSHING and everything you do when your blade is sitting on the ice. thats what matters.
its a ridiculous concept from the get. just meant to get a lower number on a chart so gear whores buy it.
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23 minutes ago, Westside said:Uh… if the carbon runner is 35% lighter than a standard steel runner then you’re absolutely carrying less weight. How is this even in question? The number of grams reduced is not the point; the point is unsprung weight. Reread my post, the auto example, and Google what that means since it doesn’t seem like you understand what I’m saying.
I'm not a fabricator so I have no idea why aluminum isn’t used or if it has ever been tested/considered. From a manufacturing standpoint, aircraft grade aluminum used in planes and cars is traditionally more expensive than steel hence why it’s normally found on luxury cars and not your average toyota (source, I work in automotive and have a good friend who works in aerospace). My only point on aluminum is that it’s not necessarily flimsy as you claimed
the number of grams reduced is exactly the point. you could put a 4 ounce weight on someone better than you, it wont matter even the little slightest amount. this is not marathon backpacking bro. its ice hockey. it doesnt matter. even a little bit. show me any test, at all, showing this improved any performance for anyone, anywhere. you dont have it. because it doesnt exist.
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8 hours ago, Beerleaguebumhockey said:LOL "not to be critical"
I dont disagree on the amount of force on the steel, which is now two pcs is extremely great, I do disagree that these performance benefits are not noticed. Improvement comes over time, not all at once. This will hopefully lead way to a better design and way of making it, after failure of the first. The concept is solid and works. Mistakes, if they come from progress should be celebrated. Its how we move forward. Now hopefully the mistake isnt from lack of testing however. That would say Bauer didnt do their home work. If they didnt break, the runner is amazing .
Yes of course, two players of different skill are not going to be equal because one has better equipment than the other, however when it comes to sports finding things that work and exaggerate your skill makes you far better and bumps up areas. Example, I cannot shoot well at all with a low kick stick comparatively to a mid kick. However, my shot is still better then most people with it. But, My shot is weaker, and just doesnt work with my style, I dont score as much at all. Change my stick to a mid kick and I light you up. Now go from a wood stick to composite, a 60$ price point to a 360$ price point, and my shot further improves. Now Ive taken what works for me, a mid kick stick and used the best one available, to further enhance something that already works well for me. I think people under estimate equipment that arent pros. There is a reason pros dont use junk. It exaggerates their skill further. Just some thoughts
noones talking about sticks. yes carbon fiber sticks are superior to wood. we know that. we are talking about the runners. try and stay on topic.
as far as runners go, no they dont "work". new skates are outrageously light. weakening your runner for a couple ounces is a horrible idea and will not do anything at all to improve your performance. you will still be worse than anyone better than you. its a gimmick.
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2 hours ago, mhein22 said:oh god im not saying you have to have an entire leg day in order to beat the performance increase from losing 4 ounces from your equipment. jeez a whole leg day per week would be like losing 30 pounds from your equipment. hell no. its not comparable. im saying 2 minutes. actually 30 seconds of a workout per week will beat the performance increase of the 4 ounces. if there was one, which there is not.
definitely did miss it. my bad
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1 hour ago, Westside said:Well if you reduced the vehicle’s unsprung weight by 35% (which is what Bauer claims the weight savings over traditional steel is), you would see a pretty dramatic difference in performance (whether that’s speed, handling, or efficiency). High performance sports cars do this all the time whether it’s using lighter weight forged wheels, carbon ceramic brakes, or replacing traditional metals with carbon fiber.
Pretty sure airplanes, cars, and plenty of other demanding vehicles that use lighter weight aluminum aren’t ‘weak as hell’ or don’t simply ‘fold over’. It’s not like a runner is going to be made from a beer can.
I’m not on the hype train of the carbon runners, but you’re digging yourself into a hole by saying some pretty stupid/easily disproved things. Stop while you’re ahead
youre not reducing the weight youre legs are carrying around by 35% by swapping out half a runner with carbon fiber, what are you talking about? they carry your entire body. all 180+ pounds plus all the G forces going on, multiplying that force on your legs through normal skating. 4 ounces doesnt matter.
and where are these aluminum runners? they dont exist. because aluminum would be a horrible material for a runner. this is simple stuff bud.
you’re digging yourself into a hole by saying some pretty stupid/easily disproved things. Stop while you’re ahead
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5 hours ago, stick9 said:First, I don't think its as simple as "walk more" or "don't skip leg days". Talk about an eyeroll... Second, the benefits may come in the form of endurance, like my feet don't feel so heavy at the end of games. Look at a cars fuel economy or acceleration when it's just the driver vs the driver and passengers. Both take a hit when the car is weighed down.
Really the only ludicrous thing here is blindly saying there is, and I quote, "no performance benefit whatsoever".
oh god im not saying you have to have an entire leg day in order to beat the performance increase from losing 4 ounces from your equipment. jeez a whole leg day per week would be like losing 30 pounds from your equipment. hell no. its not comparable. im saying 2 minutes. actually 30 seconds of a workout per week will beat the performance increase of the 4 ounces. if there was one, which there is not.
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4 hours ago, Beerleaguebumhockey said:has anyone tried aluminum runners? lol
no because they would be weak as hell, fold over, and noone would get any benefit from them whatsoever.
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his blades are fine. just tell him to go play.