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I purchased a pair of L7's a few weeks ago. I have a couple issues with them that I am not really sure about.

First time I skated on them my feet were killing me, when I pulled the inserts out to let them dry (barefoot skater) I noticed they were the thick rubber inserts. I have had problems in the past with these type of inserts so the next time I went skating I put my Vapor XX inserts in (thinner inserts). Amazingly no more foot pain. I had tried some shock doctor inserts with my XX's before and had the same problem. Does anyone else have this type of issue? And if so why do the thicker inserts do this? Also the Vapor inserts slide a little bit in the boot due to the sole, any other manufacturer make thinner inserts?

Second issue is my right heel wont lock in the boot. I think this issue is because my leg was a little swollen when I baked them. So I am wondering if re-baking them will help fix it? My left foot has no problems at all. I have also not been lacing the top two eyelets on my right foot which helps a little bit because the second to top eyelet laces end up cutting into the tendon when I get any knee bend while skating. Any ideas?

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I think that re-baking them would help you out a ton...for your right skate. Won't it be free from the place you bought them anyway? If you have enough support and are comfortable without tieing the top two eyelets or whatever you do then just go ahead and do it. It's completely up to you man. I can't really speak on the footbed cause I haven't really tried on the L7's or examined them that closely. What kind of fit are they? how do they compare to your XX's fit wise?

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They are pretty close to the same fit, just thicker rubber. The reason I asked about the inserts is because the XX's have a foam bottom and it feels like they want to slip around in the boot. Where as the rubber grip the bottom better...

I think I am going to rebake the right skate tonight, see if that helps.

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Having a lot of experience both playing hockey and fitting hockey skates my suggestions are, one never try on or buy skates when one foot is swollen, one foot is always bigger than the other and will feel differently. If you must buy skates when you have an injury don't get them heated wait till the swelling goes down then get them heated. The swelling your injured foot may have will push the skate out in awkward way so when the swelling goes down you may end up with the exact problem you are having. Next, reheating skates very rarely fixes a problem especially the one your having. Heating skates is only to help with the break-in process, the only completely moldable skate is the KOR skate. If you are having a problem with your foot slipping in the heal try having the place you bought them from or your LHS crush the heel a little this will help. I also recommend wearing a vey thin white sock like an under armor sock, not wearing socks will make you go through skates twice as quickly because the sweat from your foot will eat right through the liner and you are more prone to get blisters. More importantly, if you ever had a cut on your foot it is a good way to get a staff infection. I hope this helps you out... :D

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Heating skates is only to help with the break-in process, the only completely moldable skate is the KOR skate.

That is incorrect...The entire carbon section of the KOR skate is not heat formable...When was the last time anyone could heat form Carbon Fiber? The only skates that are 100% heat formable are Mission Supple Fit skates and Grafs.

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Actually it is not incorrect!!! The information came from the KOR sales rep and the company themselves.. it is the only skate on the market where you can actually push on the boot with your finger to get out any rough spots and have it stay that way, none of the other skates do that even supple fit. I am not trying to blow smoke up anyone's behind this is actual information that came direct from KOR hockey.

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Actually it is not incorrect!!! The information came from the KOR sales rep and the company themselves.. it is the only skate on the market where you can actually push on the boot with your finger to get out any rough spots and have it stay that way, none of the other skates do that even supple fit. I am not trying to blow smoke up anyone's behind this is actual information that came direct from KOR hockey.

I sell Kors and I don't care what any rep says, there are spots that don't move. I know, I've been using mine for a month or so and I still have one spot that is giving me problems.

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Sorry to hear that Chadd, have you tried the foam inserts they give you and how long did you heat them for? They heat for 10 minutes... I was just trying to offer suggestions to the person that originally had the problem with the Mission skates and relaying the information I have received. Most of the reps I have had the pleasure of knowing are pretty decent guys so when they tell me something product wise I usually trust them...I wasn't trying to talk him out of his skates or saying the Mission skates were bad, the best skate for a person is the one that fits his/her foot the best. I wouldn't try to give someone bad/false information on purpose. The response to the KOR skate thus far has been well received for the most part in my area. In my experience when you run into a problem with a skate where your heel is moving, especially enough to cause blisters there is no amount of heating that will fix it, it is a fitting issue. If a skate fits properly your heel should not move. Once again just trying to offer suggestions.......

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I've baked them several times, per the directions. The pads that come with the Kor are primarily for arch problems but I have tried to "fix" the area right behing the toe cap several times but after a few days it seems to return to the original shape, a shape that is too narrow for my foot. I have no heel or length issues at all.

I have a couple of very good reps but i have met many who would tell you whatever it takes to get you to buy more product. I have never met the Kor rep assigned to my area and I doubt I ever will unless they assign us a new one as he has no other lines in my area. Vince has been more than helpful in dealing with our account directly.

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I will know for sure tomorrow after I skate in them. I had the same heel locking problem with my XX's, but on the left foot. I just stopped lacing them to the top eyelet and it went away, but not before I got a nice calcium deposit on my left heel from it rubbing on the seam. The lacing helped on the mission but I still felt a little shifting. I think the baking will help.

My LHS didnt have the KOR instock when I got the mission, but they have them now. They looked good, but I didnt try a pair on. I cant afford to keep replacing skates every year...

Thanks for all the help.

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see if you can get your hands on a pair of pure fly soles. they are pretty thin and they have a good grip to them.

they would prlly fit a little better in the skate too.

and to throw another opinion into the other subject, the kor skate is not completely heat moldable. there are some spots that are made of composite that are not going to move because of baking

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Try putting a little double sided tape on the bottom of your insoles to stop them from sliding around. It should allow you to remove them but keep them from sliding too much.

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There is a line on the KOR skate which is not affected by heat molding it is right where the silver meets the black when I made that statement I thought that it was obvious those parts probabbly won't mold that much....it is still however the most moldable skate on the market right now. There is also supposed to be a foam puck in addition to the arch inserts they give you to put between your skin and the boot to help push out any problem areas but you porbablly have to get it from the Rep.

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There is a line on the KOR skate which is not affected by heat molding it is right where the silver meets the black when I made that statement I thought that it was obvious those parts probabbly won't mold that much....it is still however the most moldable skate on the market right now. There is also supposed to be a foam puck in addition to the arch inserts they give you to put between your skin and the boot to help push out any problem areas but you porbablly have to get it from the Rep.

no, that isn't the problem. I know what I'm doing, you making random guesses and statements isn't going to resolve my specific problem.

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Hey

First of all let's get something straight I never said or implied you don't know what you are doing and if that's the way you took it then I am sorry. Second, I was not trying to make random gueses and/or suggestions I have more than 10 yrs retail/ hockey business so I would like to think I wouldn't just sit around pulling things out of my @#$. Third, I wasn't even responding to your posting specifically because I don't even know what your problem actually is!! I was responding to specifically to the person who posted just before you that wanted to throw his opinion out about the KOR skates and their ability to mold. I didn't want what I was saying to be taken out of context. That's all!!

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and that is???

Most of the information about Kors. I sell them, quite a few pair this year already, and what you are saying about them is not true. They are a good skate but do not mold more than some other skates on the market. If they were 100% moldable, why would they need to offer an additional arch support? I think it's cool that they do, but it obviously means the arch isn't moldable. And as you stated after you said it was 100% moldable, there are areas that do not mold. Plus, in my experience the molding doesn't hold and they tend to revert back to the original shape in some areas if you need to push them out very far.

They will accept minor changes, nothing drastic.

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Ya i agree. So far my Kors fit fine (knock on wood). I must say they feel very different than the vapor xx's i wore last year. It feels like you can turn on a dime with these things.

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Again when I said they were 100% moldable I wasn't referring to the arch obviously that isn't probabbly going to change. Which is why I said I was being taken too literally. I have also sold quite a few pair and the only complaint I have had is Mission pitch holder that is on them. I am not sure what your point was about the arches but the main reason is for people with flat feet it really has nothing to do with the quality or moldability of the skate. But they do mold more or better than other skates on the market, none of the other skates get heated as long or mold as well these skates do. All the heating does on other skates with maybe only a few brands as exceptions is get you started on the break- in process. Even the owner and creator of the skates says on his video on the website that the skate is "100 %" moldable. While I understand part of that is somewhat of a sales pitch I doubt he would make that statement w/out it being mostly true. But I guess we just disagree on that point!

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Ya i agree. So far my Kors fit fine (knock on wood). I must say they feel very different than the vapor xx's i wore last year. It feels like you can turn on a dime with these things.

That's the biggest thing I notice.

Again when I said they were 100% moldable I wasn't referring to the arch obviously that isn't probabbly going to change.

Ok, so now we're up to the arch and the silver parts that aren't moldable, but 100% of everything else is.

I like them, I like the company but I would be a world class hypocrite if I didn't call out the BS on products I like as much as I call out the BS on the products I don't like.

none of the other skates get heated as long or mold as well these skates do.

They get heated so long because that's what it takes to warm up the materials. That doesn't mean anything in terms of making it form fit better. As for the second part, that's opinion and I disagree wholehartedly with that statement. Mine feel great when they're warm but as they cool, they shrink back and pinch my foot in the exact same spot. They have a tendancy to return to the original shape much more than other skates.

I have also sold quite a few pair and the only complaint I have had is Mission pitch holder that is on them

Actually, that's a great feature to me and many of my customers. No matter what skate they're coming from they can come very close to the same pitch without having to grind a ton of steel.

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[/quote Ok, so now we're up to the arch and the silver parts that aren't moldable, but 100% of everything else is.]

No, I meant was there is a line on the KOR skate that doesn't respond that well to the molding process. I am sure you already knew that though because you have seen it in the brocheur/catalog that you should have received from your KOR rep.

[/quoteThey get heated so long because that's what it takes to warm up the materials. That doesn't mean anything in terms of making it form fit better. ]

You can't even begin to say that there is not a difference in the molding abilities between the KOR and let's say a RBK 8K for the sake of argument. The KOR molds much better in my experience. Even my customers have pointed out a difference. If the skates aren't working for you personally that's too bad, like I have already stated the best skate for someone is the one that fits them best. The KOR skate is heated longer because of the thermoplastic materials that are used respond to heat better. Maybe I shouldn't have used the words 100% since it seems it has been taken too literally, but like I said in my experience with this new skate it molds to the shape of the foot better than others in the same category. But again I guess we just disagree!

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Ya i agree. So far my Kors fit fine (knock on wood). I must say they feel very different than the vapor xx's i wore last year. It feels like you can turn on a dime with these things.

is that a good thing?? lol i think yes..but the way you said it...i'M not sure lol

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Its great once you get used to it. But the first time i stepped on the ice it felt extremely weird, especially skating backwards.

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