Clenbuterol

[warrior37 0]

has anyone here ever heard of or used Clenbuterol or "Clen" to lose weight? any stories, either post em here or PM if thats better, thanks...

[Cavs019 708]

Thats some type of steroid no? Or maybe I'm thinking of winstrol? Regardless, burn more than you eat, none of those shredders can possibly be good for you in the long or short term.

[tbintexas 0]

"Used in foodstock industry for increasing lean mass of v.g. farm chicken." :)

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profi...clenbuterol.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catclen.htm

[hamstercaster 2]

If you want my advice, stay away from that product or any "miracle" product for that matter. I know what I'm talking about as I've dieted more often than Oprah Winfrey in my life, using Slim Fast and all other associated products, some "natural" herbs and shit and the only thing that works is diet and exercise. Diet alone will work too but you'll lose faster if you exercise. I'm presently dieting once again but hopefully for the last time of my life.

Back in last September I weight in at 338.4 pounds. Although I played hockey once a week, I wasn't very active and probably hate around 4000-5000 calories a day. Now, a full 10 months later I weight in at 263.4 pounds, so 75 pounds less. The first four months I averaged a weight loss of 13 pounds a month playing hockey once a week but eating 2000 calories a day. Now I exercise more but am losing more slowly because sometimes I figure I can eat a bit more and still lose as I am more active but it's not always the case. To lose weight you need to burn more calories than you eat. It's that simple..... and that difficult too at the same time. For me it meant changing my eating habits completly. I no longer eat any junk food, no home made fries, no bacon and shit. I am on a program that is called Mincavi that works in Canada, mainly in the province of Quebec and a bit of Ontario (Ottawa) and it's been working great so far. Here is what I HAVE to eat every day:

Breakfast:

2 ounces of protein (lean meat, no bacon or stuff like that), an egg or 1 ounce of regular cheeze (2 ounces of low fat cheeze)

Lunch: 4-5 ounces of protein (6 for beans and legumes), 2 ounces of regular cheeze (4 ounces low fat cheeze) or 2 eggs

Supper: Same as above

Plus I have to eat the following during the day, at any time during the day

5 servings of whole grain foods, preferably bread but on serving a day can be substitued with rice, potatoes or pasta (1/2 a cup)

at least 2 servings of vegetables but can eat vegetables til your heat's content

4-5 servings of fruits

3 servings of milk or yogourt

30 grams of whole grean, bran, oat cereals.. no crap like fruit loops, honey combs and all that

1 to 2 liters of water

Optional: up to three diet pops a day

up to 3 beers, glasses of wine or alcool a week

It may look strict but it's not really. It's in order to change eating habits so one gets all the vitamins and minerals an adult needs and help you lose weight at the same time. You have to remember that you need a 3500 calories deficit in order to lose 1 pound!!! and we often over estimate how much we burn in a workout, hockey game or any other activity for that matter. For exemple, jogging on a threadmill for 30 minutes doesn't burn much more than 300 calories on average depending on your weight.... that's one ice cream cone, chocolate bar etc.

It's not easy losing weight but once your mind is set to it, it can work well but you have to accept that it's on the long term and that you can't get rid of 100 pounds in 5 months, be healthy and keep it off. Using drugs and other "natural" products or dietary supplements will work in the short term but I can garantee you that you will gain it all back and more when you start eating normally again... Been there, done that.

So my advice to you once again is stay away from miracle products and learn to either eat less and exercise more or eat the same but exercise way more. Building muscles by exercising, be it hockey, gym or whatever, burns more calories per hour as your metabolism gets faster and burns more calories. It's simple.. yet difficult.... You just have to be ready, that's it.

[gman 0]

That is one heck of a great diet plan. It sounds like someting you can maintain for the long haul too. Great advice too on the drugs. I took some thermogenic crap a few years and it really screwed me up. I think it was called "ripped fuel" or something like that. My blood pressure went through the roof, so high I could actually feel it, I got hear burn like mad, and headaches. Stay away from the drugs. Hamstercatcher gave great advice and models a diet plan that seems like one that can become a lifestyle with no detriments.

[hamstercaster 2]

It is a lifestyle indeed. Once you've lost the weight you wanted to lose, as you set your own goals, they don't, then you have 8 stages where you add 50 calories a day for a total of 400 a day at the end of the 8 stages. These are added back in your diet in order to reach a confortable calory intake that will make you keep the weight off but at the same time, keep from losing more weight as you have reached your target weight. I took stackers at one point in time in my life. A personal trainer I saw gave me a specific diet, a workout plan and some stackers and creatine. The stackers were to help raise my core temperture and speed my heartbeat as well as "waking me up" so I could work out hard and burn more calories. The creatine was to help build muscle and help heal faster so I could work out heard... Man I had heartburns from hell, diarrheas and insomnia. Never again man, never again. On previous diets with supplements and all I used to pass out if I stood up to fast. I mean every once in a while we all get dizzy if we get up to fast, but nothing major. Back then it was: get up fast, get dizzy, pass out and fall. Freaked my mom out back in the early 90's with that. I'd come back to me and she'd be standing over me screaming like a mad woman as I wondered what the hell had just happened lol.

If you're insist on taking any drugs or meal replacements, consult your physician first. He will more than likely try to talk you out of it but if you do insist he will at least be able to tell you if health wise you can take those drugs/replacements and tell you what the side effects might be and thus help you make a decision based on actual facts and not what a certain company claims there product will do for you. If looks too good to be true, chances are it is too good to be true...

[hamstercaster 2]

Also note that depending on your weight you may have a bit less food to eat but usually men of a certain weight and up get that program. Smaller active men get the same program too so I think it would suit pretty much any sedentary big men all the way to a little overweight active men.

[trucks 0]

Hamstercatcher gave great advice and models a diet plan that seems like one that can become a lifestyle with no detriments.

3 beers a week? No detriments? But seriously if you want to lose the weight you have to make sacrifices, and I guess thats one of them although you probably dont have to go to that extent. Good advice all around, avoid the drugs and "miracle weight-loss" formulas and just force yourself to start living a healthier lifestyle in all aspects and the weight will go.

[hamstercaster 2]

Actually, you decide on detriments or not. I for myself do treat myself to some stuff once in a while. It may have kept me from losing 4-5 pounds in the last 10 months or so but it's highly worth it. Dieting shouldn't be seen as torture or prison. You should allow yourself some good times here and there so not to go bezerk. But you have to be ready mentally to diet as it can be very difficult to maintain such a regimen for a long time. You also have to make it a long term goal depending on how much you have to lose. I had around 100-140 pounds to lose depending when I'll feel I've done enough. I've now lost 75 pounds in 10 months and still have more to lose and am aware that it may take another year before I'm done depending on how fast I'll keep losing.

The important thing is to stay focus and to not panic or feel remorseful if one or two weeks in a row the scale shows that you've actually gained weight instead of losing specially when you no the reasons why ie: Ate big meals and ate junk a couple of times during the week etc. You also have to keep in mind that sometimes you'll gain or just not lose anything at all even though you've followed you're diet perfectly, exercised often and for long periods etc. as you may have gained muscle mass and muscle mass is heavier than fat. The main thing is just to stay focused and ready to accept to lose battles knowing that you will eventually win the war.