From Vapor XXX's to one90's (somewhat indirectly), questions on pitch

[Toonces 0]

I've lurked here for the longest time, just taking in all the great information, but now I've got a few questions for you all.

I just got a pair of one90's, having skated in Vapor XXX's for the past two and a half years. I tried the XXXX's, but just didn't like the way they fit compared to my last pair.

The one90 boot fits my foot great, but one thing I'm wondering about is the pitch. In reading about other peoples reactions to these skates I've seen that alot of people around here are putting lifts under their skates in order to change the pitch. When I first got on the ice with them, I felt almost like I was going to fall backwards, but when I was leaning forward properly they seemed just fine.

I'm going to try them a few more times like they are, but I'm wondering if I should consider getting lifts? It seems that the consensus around here is that the pitch of the boot is not actually really any different than my XXX's, only that the heel lock is different, is that correct?

To toss a bit of a wrench into the matter, between my XXX's literally falling apart and getting the one90's, I was skating in a pair of Vapor 8's with Custom +'s for about a month and a half. I'm wondering if this might have been what threw my balance off a little since I've read that the Custom +'s have a different pitch.

Just seeking a little more input.

[sabre09923 0]

Skating in the Custom+ holders definitely made your transition back to Lightspeeds harder, as they have a backwards pitch. I would skate more on your One90s, and then see how you do. If you really can't bear it after 2 skates, I'd seek profiling or put a heel lift in.

[homerocks 0]

Mr. Grubb, you already know the answer to this question, mr.

[Toonces 0]

Skating in the Custom+ holders definitely made your transition back to Lightspeeds harder, as they have a backwards pitch. I would skate more on your One90s, and then see how you do. If you really can't bear it after 2 skates, I'd seek profiling or put a heel lift in.

The odd thing is that I didn't feel like I was on my heels with the Custom+'s. It really must be the extreme heel lock which is causing my discomfort. I'm somewhat apprehensive about the heel lifts, mostly because I really liked how my XXX's were stability wise. Of course I still have one of the ugliest skating techniques you'd ever see, but I'm just not sure I wanna throw off my balance.

Mr. Grubb, you already know the answer to this question, mr.

Ya, but you know that I enjoy over-analyzing everything Mr. Losardo, it's part of the fun :D

[sabre09923 0]

Skating in the Custom+ holders definitely made your transition back to Lightspeeds harder, as they have a backwards pitch. I would skate more on your One90s, and then see how you do. If you really can't bear it after 2 skates, I'd seek profiling or put a heel lift in.

The odd thing is that I didn't feel like I was on my heels with the Custom+'s. It really must be the extreme heel lock which is causing my discomfort. I'm somewhat apprehensive about the heel lifts, mostly because I really liked how my XXX's were stability wise. Of course I still have one of the ugliest skating techniques you'd ever see, but I'm just not sure I wanna throw off my balance.

But my logic was off, unfortunately. I sort of assumed that you were leaning too far forwards... but that's not the case.

Profiling for a forward pitch might help your cause. The trick is to find someone good to do it... You're in NJ, so you might be close to DarkStar's shop.

[Toonces 0]

But my logic was off, unfortunately. I sort of assumed that you were leaning too far forwards... but that's not the case.

Profiling for a forward pitch might help your cause. The trick is to find someone good to do it... You're in NJ, so you might be close to DarkStar's shop.

Yeah, I dunno, that's just how they felt to me. It just seemed that unless I had all my weight forward the skates wanted to come out from under me. Needless to say I didn't want to skate very aggressively at all.

Setting the Custom+'s aside, I'd like to just have the same balance as I had with my XXX's. Getting at profile done like you suggest is definitely an option, I'm not too far from Ice House. If I went the heel wedge route first, how much would be recommended to start with? I'm trying to comprehend how different a 2mm wedge would feel compared to a 3mm one.

[JR Boucicaut 3809]

But my logic was off, unfortunately. I sort of assumed that you were leaning too far forwards... but that's not the case.

Profiling for a forward pitch might help your cause. The trick is to find someone good to do it... You're in NJ, so you might be close to DarkStar's shop.

Yeah, I dunno, that's just how they felt to me. It just seemed that unless I had all my weight forward the skates wanted to come out from under me. Needless to say I didn't want to skate very aggressively at all.

Setting the Custom+'s aside, I'd like to just have the same balance as I had with my XXX's. Getting at profile done like you suggest is definitely an option, I'm not too far from Ice House. If I went the heel wedge route first, how much would be recommended to start with? I'm trying to comprehend how different a 2mm wedge would feel compared to a 3mm one.

When we do pitch work on profiles, a +1 is 1/32". A 3mm lift would actually put you at around a +3.5, which is pretty aggressive. Keep in mind that you've already got a negative lean on the stock holders, so it's about a +2.5.

Now, most shops that make lifts use plastic that is 1/16" thick. That will give you a +1 once you factor in the negative lean.

If you're going C+ just profile the steel. Reason why I did it on my ONE90s was because I knew that I had issues with Bauer skates in the past and I knew that the steel height was shorter on the LS2P than other steel in the past.

[Toonces 0]

When we do pitch work on profiles, a +1 is 1/32". A 3mm lift would actually put you at around a +3.5, which is pretty aggressive. Keep in mind that you've already got a negative lean on the stock holders, so it's about a +2.5.

Now, most shops that make lifts use plastic that is 1/16" thick. That will give you a +1 once you factor in the negative lean.

If you're going C+ just profile the steel. Reason why I did it on my ONE90s was because I knew that I had issues with Bauer skates in the past and I knew that the steel height was shorter on the LS2P than other steel in the past.

I'm definitely not going to throw the Custom+'s on them, I'm thinking I'll just get the LS2P's how I want them.

If I'm understanding you correctly, a 3mm lift might be too much for the LS2P's? I'm somewhat confused as to what the next step for me should be? My bud, who actually posted above, thinks I should try a 3mm lift, but I'm kinda apprehensive about it. Coming from the XXX's, I didn't expect them to feel so awkward.

Some additional Info, just in case it's relevant. The XXX's had 296 LS2's in them, which I never got profiled. I went down a full size with the one90's, and ended up with a 280.

[JR Boucicaut 3809]

It's a big jump in forward lean. You'll be better off to slowly wean yourself to what feels right.