graf 705 $299

[t-bone 1]

http://www.discounthockey.com/gr705seiceho.html

oops ....

meant to post it in the good deal thread...

[duch 0]

You better be sure you take a "D" width in Graf or you'll end up blowing 300 bucks. There's no returning these babies.

[bbruins8 0]

Keep in mind those are the old ones without the teclite/composite outsole and are the ones that have water drainage issues. Sponges, but durable.

[Law Goalie 147]

Conversely, they don't have outsole delamaination and upper separation issues.

I saw a brand new pair of Regehr pro-returns the other day that brought back every horror story I'd ever heard about Graf's recent efforts. Now, admittedly, pro-returns get returned for a reason, but how the hell they thought a skate like that would ever get past a trainer scares the crap out of me.

One interesting thing about them that didn't look terrible: they were 705s with the XP-3 (Ultra-series) material underneath Teclite, the way the stock 705 has nylon under leather.

[t-bone 1]

Keep in mind those are the old ones without the teclite/composite outsole and are the ones that have water drainage issues. Sponges, but durable.

Got them at the store. They are new ones. New outsole and sidi insoles.

[bbruins8 0]

Keep in mind those are the old ones without the teclite/composite outsole and are the ones that have water drainage issues. Sponges, but durable.

Got them at the store. They are new ones. New outsole and sidi insoles.

Interesting, I just picked up a pair of ultra G5s that were used a few times, looks like sloppiness from the factory and it's going to require a little gorilla glue but they are not bad at all. It's where the toecap meets the boot, minor separation...my NBHs were like that too and never caused an issue, but I don't want to risk it.