The guy that came from is the 3rd hardest shot I play against. He and the other two guy's shots are NOTICEABLY harder than everyone else's that I play with. I've had them shoot against my radar and what is amazing is that he and his brother's shots top out around 80mph (the hardest of the three's shots is around 88mph). Just think what it takes to stand in front of Chara's at over 30mph harder. I can't imagine something hurting 30mph MORE than that did!