Ya I just happened to look for skates and said shit why not look at Graf. I used to have supra 705's got out of those cause they where so old and bought the LE vapors x6.0, they just never fit right, but I dealt with it cause I'm no pro. I'm a 32 year old beer leaguer. Found these on sale for 320 from 800 in the 75 flex. Baked them had the Tuuks put on and wore them the other night, no break in period. Im impressed so far.