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Deke

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About Deke

  • Birthday 03/09/1957

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    Easton Mako
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    Warrior Alpha 55 Flex

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    Ridgway, CO
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    Drop-in Hockey, Waterskiing, Snow Skiing, Beer
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  1. Profile: Detroit 1 Steel: Marsblade on Mako Skate Hollow: FBV 90/75 About me: In my 60's and have played since high school. Good skater playing 3 to 4 drop-ins per week during the the winter months only. Baseline: "Similar" to Quad Zero NOT from ProSharp. Did nothing particularly well and later found out there were some issues with the blend from profile to toe. I should also note that the Marsblade is a different animal and is best at techniques that power through the heel. Detroit 1 Review: As I mentioned above the Marsblade likes heel things. This was really an experiment to see if the super long heel radius of the Detroit 1 would compliment the heel rocker of the Marsblade. The result was "kinda". The Detroit 1 promotes (and demands) long strides and so does the Marsblade. From that standpoint they are good together but at the front end I felt the 10' radius was too much for me. However, and this is a big however, I was surprised that a profile with radii that long worked as well as it did! Acceleration and mobility might have been just OK, but speed, stability and glide were very good or excellent. I'm not sure how much longer I am going to continue with the Marsblade, but if I do keep going I think I would try a Quad 1 or Quad 2 based my experience with them on standard holders. Acceleration: 2 Mobility: 3 Speed: 4 Stability 5 See my Quad 1 review See my Quad 2 review
  2. Profile: Quad 2, with all 20mm of built-in pitch/offset removed Steel: Step Steel in Mako CXN holder Hollow: FBV 90/75 About me: In my 60's and have played since high school. Good skater playing 3 to 4 drop-ins per week during the the winter months only. Baseline: CXN Steel with unknown "speed" Quad from well known shop. Short radius at toe, very long radius at the heel. Very (over) pitched. They were stable but not remarkably fast. Mobility was limited and acceleration was poor. Quad 1 Review: Go here for my Quad 1 review Quad 2 Review: Just came from the Quad 1 and my immediate reaction was these are fast! If you are already moving these things promote a great long stride and glide. Powerful. Good acceleration from the glide also. Acceleration off the line is not as quick as Quad 1 and mobility is OK. Speed and stability are excellent. This may be a little too much radius for me overall so I am going back to the Quad 1 to verify my feelings. In my case mobility may be more important than speed. Tough decision. BTW, backward is very fast and stable on these as well. Even acceleration from stopped is very good. Would like a little more lateral mobility though. Acceleration: 3 Mobility: 3 Speed: 5 Stability 5
  3. Profile: Quad 1, with all 20mm of built-in pitch/offset removed Steel: Step Steel in Mako CXN holder Hollow: FBV 90/75 About me: In my 60's and have played since high school. Good skater playing 3 to 4 drop-ins per week during the the winter months only. Baseline: CXN Steel with unknown "speed" Quad from well known shop. Short radius at toe, very long radius at the heel. Very (over) pitched. They were stable but not remarkably fast. Mobility was limited and acceleration was poor. Quad 1 Review: I needed just a little bit of time to adjust to the neutral profile after coming from the overly pitched baseline profile. The result for the Quad 1 is quick off the line, excellent mobility, with good speed and stability. Top speed can be limited unless you delay the toe-off. Great all around profile! Wow! I could stop right here but I am going to try the Quad 2 and see where that goes. Edit: Backward feels great on these. I would probably give the same ratings below for both forward and back. Acceleration: 4 Mobility: 5 Speed: 4 Stability 4 Quad 2 Review: Go here for my Quad 2 review
  4. Refresh me on the spacer numbers. Which is which? I was one of the early users and only have full movement which is probably the smallest. Any other feedback other than OK and much better? What was your son feeling?
  5. It's funny but it seems that design can go down two different paths before anyone realizes any results. On one hand, we design around what we already know or what we are already capable of, technique-wise. Technique doesn't really change though, so the results are incremental. On the other hand, you can introduce something completely different where the physics are better, but will require a change in technique. In this case the results could be an order of magnitude better. Just think if we only 1) understood the physics better AND 2) were willing to leave our comfort zone, what would the evolutionary path look like. Gotta admit this is the only reason I tried the Marsblade.
  6. @Nateinnet I would start with the same 10' and 1/2" he is on now. However, I would also start with a neutral pitch, see what happens then go from there. This way there is really only one variable. In my own experience I ended up with a neutral pitch after having skated "very" pitched forward previously. I am beginning to develop the opinion that many people, including myself have way overdone the forward pitch thing. With the Marsblade I think it is more about finding that sweet spot that makes it click. It seems to excel at anything involving a heel pump. All said, the conservative part of me agrees with others about doing all of this with a second pair of skates. @SkateWorksPNW my experience was opposite as your clients. I found that my previous "long" profile (similar to Quad 2) didn't really do much with the Marsblade. It just kind of felt the same with or without the Marsblade. I ended up with a Quad Zero. On the Marsblade the Quad Zero feels like there is more steel on the ice than it does in a traditional fixed holder but with the benefits of the shorter radii. It just sort of skates longer. I know that you didn't really care for the Marsblade but as I said it before, I'd love to hear more feedback about your experiences.
  7. I have been liking the Quad-0. Previously on my old setup I had a quad from another sharpener with "very long radiuses." which I like a lot. I skated yesterday with that profile on the Marsblades and was disappointed. They felt the same as the old setup (on CXN's) and seemed to cancel the benefit of the Marsblade. I switched back to the Quad-0 later and feeling was back. All this is at neutral pitch which I have had to adapt to. From just this little bit of experience I think the profile and pitch may be more critical to the Marsblade than anyone thinks. Some of us may have been skating on setups that don't translate to the Marsblade. It takes a lot of time, energy and $$ to sort through this and I have been fortunate to able to do this. My wish is that Marsblade would test the extremes in an controlled test with very good skaters to establish the parameters that work well. I realize that we are all part of this development but there really isn't a way to use all of the random feedback. I would also like to hear more from sharpeners such as @Nicholas G about their experiences on this. That was the first I heard (above) about people liking the Zuperior. @Nicholas G have any of your skaters that initially didn't like the Marsblade made changes that worked for them?
  8. @Nicholas G have you tried them? Why is it so important for you to shoot this down? A lot of people are looking for hands-on feedback.
  9. I know you have worked with some people on the Marsblade, but have you skated on them yourself? There is definitely something there. Efficiency is what I noticed most, especially when switching between skates. That may be what Kronwall was after.
  10. Another thought about the Langes, well not the boot itself, the original holders may be pitched differently than the Marsblade. Even though you had the steel done the same there could still be difference. Regarding profiles I would seriously consider taking @JR Boucicaut offer on the Prosharp project. A Quad might be fun to try.
  11. @YesLanges I am in the "adaptation" phase with these as well. My case is probably the opposite of yours where I feel close to going out the back on tight turns and digging in the heels too much in the process. I can say though that when I don't over do it I totally feel that very efficient finish that the testers talked about and can move right into crossovers without losing much speed at the transition. In my case, I'm going to try a pitch adjustment to see if I can keep myself in the sweet spot. Lengthened strides and a more solid outside edge are other pluses that I'm feeling. The final Marsblade product is different from what the pro testers skated on now that the toe is fixed. My hunch is that the pitch on the steel may be a bigger factor than it was then since the rocker only goes one way. You mentioned aggressive pitch in your setup. I don't know how much that is or how the Lange boot may affect that, but I would think it is possible that you could have too much pitch. Just a thought. All four of your positives indicate more stability so I'll bet you are getting more of the 13' radius of your profile on to the ice than you are used to. (1) a lengthened cross-under, especially if it's coming from the outside edge is awesome. More out of each stride. (2) going backward, the Marsblade rocker is allowing you to basically reduce your pitch, making backward feel good. (3) I'm not sure the Marsblade would necessarily increase the sharpness of your turns but the rocker can make the finish more efficient by not digging into the ice as much. You'd lose less speed and transition smoother. (4) See (1). It sounds like more blade on the ice equals a more solid outside edge. All of those sound great to me if you can adapt them into your style and take advantage of them. I kinda think you should spend some more time adapting, maybe when you don't have league play to worry about. Just have fun exploring what it will do.
  12. Thanks, Nicholas G, that makes sense. I am not a skate tech, I'm just trying figure out if two contours that I have on different sets of steel have different amounts of offset or pitch. First of all, are the offset and pitch the same thing? If not, when would you do one vs the other? Second, do the Quad 0 and Quad 1 templates have the same amount of built-in pitch or offset (whichever is used)?
  13. Do the Prosharp templates have a certain amount of pitch and/or pivot point offset built-in to them? In other words, if you were to ask for neutral, would the offset be truly neutral or whatever the built-in offset is (say 20mm)?
  14. Per, I am not one of the above mentioned guys but I am feeling like it is too easy to get too far back. The compensation is to continuously focus on driving forward which I think is negating the benefit of the rocker. I sent you an email. Deke
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