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Junior 1-3. Standard 4-6 Large 7-10 fly-x and Fly-ti steel are still advertised as 10ft stock profile on the Bauer website.

Yes they have 3 sizes for the Polaris. It’s the spacing of the 4 radii that is different. Junior has those 4 section smaller and closer together. Large has 4 sections that are longer and further apart to place the radii in the correct locations. It’s good design. prosharp matched the overall rocker, Which destroys a small blade. Example a 3XS is a 4-5-7-10. So smaller blades got tighter radii. That is so bad…. As far as acceleration goes, they are similar. But I tell people if they want improved acceleration, hit the gym. 😂

Polaris is better than the Quad 0 on a 272 blade for sure. The Quad 0 cuts off too much of the toe.

I went right back to my 981 Quad hybrid. Faster, more agile and more balance with the glide surface under the Center of the blade. I also cut an Ellipse II for my 272 blades with 40mm back of cl. That moves the flattest ppont on the ellipse profile roughly in the same area as the Polaris. It skates smoother than the Polaris for sure. But still not a super fast profile.

I do. I stock Bladetech steel in Black DLC, Mirror polished, and Gold for the powerfly holder. It’s great steel. Sharpens really well. The steel has a High chromium content so it never rusts even if you put your skates away wet. (Great for kids)

Find a pitch that he likes and try and stick with it. P1-4 is where I usually like setting my pitch for different people. P5 is getting pretty extreme in my opinion. Any change in Pitch will take a bit to get acclimated. The change from P5 to P0 will be very different / strange for the skater the first couple times out. Keep in mind if you’re going from a pitch of P5 to a pitch of P0, you’re taking off almost 1mm of steel at the heal, So you’re not going to get many sharpenings out of your blades. You should get at least 50-100 sharpenings out of a set of blades.

First off, I like the Gold profile a lot. You can get it with any pitch you want. A -P2 -P3 or -P4 pitch is not normal though. And I don’t think anyone would recommend that. It probably got changed by bad Sharpening over time. A Good manual sharpener will look at your blade and notice that right away. He probably had almost 0.5- 1mm more steel height at the toe depending on the length of the blade. So good call getting it fixed to a +P2. That’s not that extreme. Go with it, and he’ll adapt quickly.

You can duplicate it. Sure, But you won’t know what the profile is. So in a few months or a year of sharpening, that profile will be lost and you won’t know what to profile to next year.

CompetitiveEdgeHockey.ca exclusive profile to them. Nothing to do with Prosharp. DM me for more info

Coordinate Measurement Machine. no hockey store of pro shop will have one. It’s an engineering tool for part verification/validation. Also used to reverse engineer. I happen to have one that I use for the profile design and development.

Different…. The Quad 0.5 has 4 zones. The competitive edge 0.5/1 profile in the picture above is continuously variable (infantile number of radii). Like an elipse, but I can tell you the radio at specific points along the profile. MUCH better.

I’ve put blades on my CMM (coordinate measurement machine) and it will give me points and radii to reverse engineer and find out what profile is on there.

I just profiled a set of blades with a 8-10.5-14.5-12.5 Polaris Profile for myself to try. You can feel the transition between the 10.5 and 14.5 zone

When you put your blades into the jig on a Skatescribe machine, the vision system measures, draws, and shows a line trace of the profile for each blade on a computer screen. You can see how much steel will be removed and in what areas when it is getting profiled/sharpened.

You are absolutely right. So you were at the phats show in AZ…. I did all the surface finish analysis that Skatescribe presented. So ya, skatescribe’s Tormach cnc could do any profile. Just need to run a CAM software and send it a custom G-code. No big deal. I do custom profiles that way on a Mazak CNC. But I also use my Blackstone at my shop with tracer bars. Easier to train people on that than training a CNC programmer. Now, The Skatescribes software is stellar! (I’m sure you know). I’m an engineer as well so I appreciate your knowledge. Anyone on your side of the continent reading this should head you way for perfect skates. and ya, design they added a keyence sensor to detect the bottom of the steel and measure the angle. The first prototype had one too, but was a different sensor 😉 And correct you can’t patent a quad or elipse, OMNI. It’s like a coffee mug. Maybe a two handle coffee mug. But You can’t patent a three handle mud, or quad mug. Or infinite number of handles on a mug (elipse or OMNI). Anyways, it’s public knowledge now so not patentable anymore.

You havn't seen Blackstone’s new profiler that is coming out then… it’s superior to the Elite IMO. Measures blades current pitch in degree’s, and you can adjust pitch from there like Skatescribe. It uses keyence sensors to detect steel height for the start of profiling, You can offset the pivot point like on a prosharp. It’s fully automatic. Can do several blades at once. And fast. 4-5 min to profile. Also fast to load. 15sec and you back profiling the next set. The elite is still using tracer bars like Blackstone. And Yes Skatescribe can do anything (except an elipse or an OMNI’s) So there’s a reason Blackstone is in several NHL rooms. Florida, Washington, St.Louis, Islanders, NJ…. They do things very well.

What you felt on the Prosharp Quad is exactly why these were developed. But these OMNI Profile bars are for Blackstone shaper systems and their new profiler that will be hitting the market pretty soon. Shops are buying them and using them quite a bit. They’ve been sold to shops as far west as BC, here in Ontario of course, even out to Sweden. They actually have OMNI Zup bars now too. Those have a 20mm blend area between each transition to make that a smoother more gradual change.

Thanks man! Ya I love the Quad/Hybrid profile. It’s very similar to the profile above, just with a small glide surface in the middle for extra speed 🙂. That’s what I skate on now, as well as my kids and several of their AAA teammates. My boy is going to the Wold selects tourney in Bolzano Italy with Pro Hockey, so something has got to be working. Check ‘em out CompetitiveEdgeHockey.ca

The OMNI quads from Blackstone are an improvement over the Prosharp Quads. I exclusively profile using OMNI bars now at my shop. Below is a picture of a 272 blade on an OMNI 0.5 profile bar. As you can see, the 4 zones from the Quad has been smoothly blended together to create a profile with a radius of curvature that is continuously changing (just like an Elipse) except you know the exact radii all along the blade… unlike an elipse where the shape is bit of a mystery. In this case, the 8-10-12-14’ areas are matched to the Prosharp 0.5, but blended all the way through.

Quad 1 would feel pitch even more pitched forward if profiled on a prosharp, with the same pivot point. Since the 1 is designed for a smaller blade the 6’ toe would extend over a greater length at the toe of the blade, removing more steel and feeling more pitched. If someone happens to have a set of OMNI quad profile bars for a Blackstone you can change that pitch on a Quad 2 without moving the pivot point, and changing the pitch by a certain amount of degree and making the difference steel height between the toe and the heal much less. I think this is what you are looking for. It’s pretty simple to do.

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Quads in general with a 6’ toe naturally take a lot of steel off the toe. That’s the complaint sometimes with those profiles…

This is my favourite profile right now. It’s the competitive edge 0.5/1. The radius is continuously changing like an elipse. Except the the profile is marked with the point where it hits 8.5, 9, 9,5 …..11.5, 12, 12.5. What I like is that you know what you’re getting now. Not like the elipse where it’s mystery. Also don’t loose the toe on this profile like on a quad (they take too much off the toe in my opinion). It’s like an exaggerated 9.5/10.5, but smoothly blended all the way through. Btw, the blade on the profile bar is only a size 3. A size 9 or 10 would extend about 1” more on either end. I do a lot of AAA and Junior players with this and it’s a winner for sure.

That’s not really a fair statement. Those that work in the industry and are keeping up with the latest equipment and technologies are well aware of Skatescribe. They are not in all cities at the moment, especially small towns so many skaters don’t know about them, yet. Skatescribe machines are a CNC profiling and sharpening machine which uses a milling cutter to cut the blade. Since it is CNC based you can send any profile to contour any blade. I profile on a CNC machine sometimes and it’s great. I also use my Blackstone for a lot of profiles as well. I finish sharpening on my Blackstone. Both methods have many positives and both are in NHL rooms. As is Blademaster and Elite. And if anyone is interested, no one finish sharpens on a Sparx… lol. Those are for home convienence, and stores that don’t have the people with knowledge to train their own employees.

So my boy has broken 4 proto R’s in 3 months. All in the shaft about 6-10” above the blade. He’s only 75lbs and breaking 40flex sticks like spaghetti.