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  1. Yes, and the 7ft toe on the 2, vs 8ft toe on the Quad 0.5 When I profile, I always measure steel height with a micrometer or a set of calipers to check how much less steel height is on the toe vs the heal. I can always set pitch between profiles to match if this difference is kept constant. You never know how the steel was placed into the holder. Depending on how the steel was put into the holder/machine, your going to get a different end result. This should be checked at the end and recorded. But… I am extremely precise when I profile and sharpen. People always have issues when they get new steel or new skates. This is a full proof solution.
  2. The easiest way is to place your steel against a variety of different known profile bars. And see which matches. At the NHL Level Different equipment managers may use different methods. Laser measurement, or touch probe CMM or something as simple as various sizes of drillbits placed along the bottom of the Skate Blade To measure the height change along the front and back of the rocker. While the third method is pretty crude it also works. Cad data is very helpful when using one of these three methods witch is only available through your equipment manufacturers people. Unless you want to do a lot of math yourself. Pro shops should be able to butt up your blades against Shaper bars/profile bars as my image above shows. Hope that helps.
  3. There are tons of NHL players that still use LS2 steal height. Or whatever steel they use they get ground down.
  4. First thing is to compare both skates on the same ice surface like hockeydad3 said. outdoor ice is very different. Other than the steel height difference that was mentioned, Also get your old skate profile measured. who knows what is on there??? That's an important piece of info. After many sharpenings, your old blades could have gone very banana'd, and/or flat in the middle with banana'd ends. If you find a flat center section, maybe you prefer a center glide profile? Quads are heal glide. Example of an old popular center glide profile is the old MAX Edge 981, or a CAG Profile that have a flat glide area in the middle of the blade. I still profile some players with that 981, although the Quads (OMNI Quads that I use) are becoming much more popular. But it is all personal Preference. The 981 has lots of blade contact but you need to be an elite skater to know how to use the various area's of the blade to turn or use the all out speed it can offer in the middle of the blade. Hence why the Quads / OMNI QUADS and elipse profiles are easier to skate on. Lastly, measure the steel height at the front and back of each pair of skates to get an idea of the pitch you have on each pair. essentially you are measuring how much less steel you have on the front vs the rear. you might be pitch forward more on the Quad 0.5 that you are on your old pair, and that's the root cause of what you are feeling. I'm giving you a lot of info here, sometimes brining in both skates to a pro and asking these questions can help. When I profile skates for someone, I always ask to see the old blades so I can measure them. Even if I'm doing mail order Profiling, I ask for a high res image of the old steel for analysis. Young ones adapt so quickly to new Profiles. Sometimes the smallest change really messes up us old guys
  5. No Worries, I'm just a guy that loves helping people dial in their skates the way they like em . I hardly even charge people if they want to try a new profile or something like that. If I do, it's like $20. I just did this fellow's skates with an OMNI... After years of sharpenings, he had a banana'd blade and no blade contact with the ice. I ground that back a little, and put an OMNI Profile on there and bang. Things are great for him, and I'm so happy. Also, Someone mentioned if you put a profile on the blade, can you go back... the answer is yes, you can.
  6. just to add, the word harsh is not any company's marketing department... Those were my words to try and get the point of the smooth transition across to everyone. I apologize if it came across that way. I removed that word in my post as I can see how it can be taken negatively . sorry boys.
  7. This is what my son skates on. 8' toe, smoothly transitioned to a 13' heal on a 212 runner using a Quad 0.5 Template, and 0.035" less steel in the front to get the forward lean dialed in for him. The beauty of the OMNI runners is that is changes continuously.... ) 8', 8.1', 8.2', 8.3',8.4', 8.5'... ............... all the way to ->14' I could profile these blades with a 8.5' -> almost 14' if I shifted the steel back for more speed. Get it...? You can achieve a Quad XS on a 254 blade by adjusting the centerline forward on a Quad 0 template and you get a 6' toe, 12' heal smoothly transitioned. (basically you don't use the whole 6' to 13' Quad 0 on the 254 blade as I did in my image below.) With the 4 zones on traditional Quads you can't really do this. You can but you will get one zone in the front very long, and one in the heal very short or maybe missing which is not good. When I Profile people's skates I tell them the Profile Template I used, and the radius from the heal to the toe, as well as the steel height at the heal and toe where it is profiled to they know the pitch. These Blades are: Quad 0.5 Profile: 8' toe, 13' heal. 0.715" steel at the toe, 0.750" steel height at the heal. 92/75 FBV sharp. And both blades are identical when they leave within a thou.
  8. OMNI Quad 0.5 is my personal favourite with a 92/75 FBV sharpen. A lot of the older guys around here like aslo like a 90/75 FBV. Some of the young AAA kids in the area love a 90/1 for the extra bite. And yes the transitions between the rads on the quads are tangent to each other, but you do have 4 distinct “zones”. The OMNI’s gradually change the local radius as you move down the blade, just like the elipse. But as people have said before, with the OMNI Quads, you know what you are getting. OMNI Quad 1 is 6’ at the toe, and 15’ at the heal smoothly blended. OMNI Quad 0.5 is 8’ at the toe 14’ at the heal… OMNI quad 0, or 2… you know what you are getting. It’s just better In my opinion.
  9. You can achieve a more aggressive toe by offsetting the centre line when your profile with the elipse. If you want an ellipse to match a quad 0.5 or quad 1 profile it can get close but not exact. I’ve analyzing the templets. What you were asking for is the quad one sheet, but with the smoothness of the elipse. That is the Omni quad one. Check out my Facebook page for a good image that describes the Omni quads. The image is of the quad one with a 6 foot toe and 15 foot heel smoothly blended all the way across the blade. https://m.facebook.com/LaSalleSkateShop/?tsid=0.6065308458443983&source=result
  10. ^^^ now that was the funniest thing I’ve read all day! But no, for others reading this, that’s not how it works.
  11. Here's a good pic on my FB page https://www.facebook.com/LaSalleSkateShop
  12. The Problem with the Elipse Profiles is that you can not control the radius in a specific spot on the blade. An elipse as defined by Math is nothing more than an A - B (major - minor) radius to get your shape. So the radius is continuously changing to make it smooth (no transition points like the quad), but you can not control what you want at different points along the runner. That's why many dislike the elipse. What you want is the "OMNI Quad's" from Blackstone. It takes the Quad 0, 0.5, 1, II and makes them continuously variable (like an elipse) to be super smooth, but better! And you know what the radii are along the blade! Let me find a picture to help explain...
  13. I think this is what you are looking for. Different spinners for 3mm or 4mm blades, and different inside edge fangs (sharpness) options. https://goalie.purehockey.com/support/a_trap_review/pg_id/7002/
  14. You are not making that big of a change. But you will feel the difference. I would ask one question first.. is there anything you already really like with the 9’? If so you will probably give up a bit of that. And maybe a 9/10 or 9.5/10.5 is more what you are after. Or if you are looking for less fatigue and better glide with the same agility all you want perhaps a Max Edge 981 is what you want. ( 9’ -50mm flat- 10’ ) . Several people still like this profile because of the blade Contact with the ice in the Center.
  15. Call them direct to order an OMNI Quad shaper bar set. Here’s a pic that shows how good it is. OMNI Quad 0.5 Or let me know if you need steel profiled using any OMNI Profile bar. 0, 0.5, 1, or 2. I have a full set.
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