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1 hour ago, smcgreg said:Having used both, I would beg to differ. To me, much less rocker on W88. He commented the same.
He plays D. Cutting shorter is not an option and I really don't think that makes much difference playing close to the body. He's been doing stick handling drills for 10 years, not gonna change much in a couple weeks/ month.
Thanks for the feedback though.
Oh - he's a D man. Have you looked at the W02? Heel curve, square toe, pretty much a specialty curve specifically for D men.
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5 hours ago, psulion22 said:Warrior lists their lie as one lower than the other manufacturers. So the W88 is really a "lie 5". Bauer lists their P88 as a lie 6. It's not, it's a lie 5. It's a lower lie than the lie 6 P92, lie 5.5 P10, and about the same as the lie 5 P28, PM9, and CCM's P30. In reality, the W88 is a clone of the other P88 variants, with slight differences.
Warrior's W03 is a Bauer P92/CCM P29 variant, which are both lie 6. Again, Warrior's lie numbering system comes in to play.
With manufacturers reducing the number of curves available at retail, your choices are limited without going custom. Bauer and CCM are only going to give you 3 or 4 choices, with the P92/P29/W03 being the highest lie and the only one that high. P88/W88 and P28/W28 are both similar and lower. With Bauer, a P14 *might* work. It's a slightly higher lie than the P88, with less twist than the P92. The issue with it is that it's a very short blade which may not work for many players. True offers more choices if you can someone that carries them.
You could pretty much end the thread here, psulion22 nails it all around.
I would just add:
- Anyone that likes the P88 and switches to the higher lie P92/W03/P29 probably needs to go an inch or two shorter in stick length to compensate. I used P88 for years and hated the P92 until I realized I needed to play with a P92 a couple inches shorter. The adjustment was needed to give me the right amount of blade I wanted on the ice and to shoot with the puck closer to my body.
- CCM P19 is not common at retail anymore but I see it still in team and pro stock sticks - I always found it a great middle ground between the P88 and P92 for someone wanting to transition. It's just a great curve in it's own right.
- Bauer's retail P14 (at least on the sr 77 flex 1X's I had) is not only short, but fairly narrow and the toe is tapered a bit too. Overall a small blade. I have a couple prostock NCAA Pat Curry 75 Flex 1S that are unlabelled but look to be a max height P14 variant, and while it's still shorter than a P92 blade, I find it great compared to the retail P14 on the 1X.
To the OP - at retail the options are indeed limited. P88, P92 and P28 are pretty much the only 3 curves you can find amongst the big guys in volume across their whole lineup of sticks these days.
If you son loves the P88 and is effective with it, I wouldn't necessarily pursue a change that he's not looking for himself. The P88 is not real special for anything, but neither does it have any big downsides. It's a great all around curve for an all around type player, which at age 14 is probably what most kids are going for. Stickhandling, backhand, passing, all excellent with that curve, shooting off the toe is the one area isn't not 'great' for. If he's a playmaker as much as he's a goal scorer, I'd let him stay with it.
Out of curiosity what kind of skater is he? Does he get fairly low with a good hip hinge / 'knee bend'? I find those kids are the ones that seem to like the low lie of the P88. The more upright skaters tend to gravitate more to the P92 style lie.
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On 12/25/2019 at 5:43 PM, marka said:Howdy,
Sherwood intermediates (ek15, Project 9, 65 flex) seem to be the same shaft dimensions as their Senior sticks (ek365, 75 flex).
I've interchanged between intermediates and senior over the past few years and not noticed shaft dimension differences across various brands I'd need to actually go measure various sticks to quote models though. I had the above cutoff ends on my desk. 🙂
That said, the 60 flex Easton Synergy I just got on clearance seems to have a slightly smaller shaft than my other sticks. Its also decently shorter (short enough that its still an inch shorter than my normal height, which is cut down an inch or two from typical intermediate lengths).
MarkSome Warrior Intermediate sticks are significantly narrower in the shaft than the Sr equivalents.
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Does anyone feel comfortable in both of these boots?
The only way I can wrap my head around that is that they both feel equally mediocre if maybe you have a foot type right in between the two?
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See if you can borrow a P92 that's a bit shorter, between your chin and lips for example, it's a great all around curve with the features you describe but I suspect using it at your current length might not be to your liking.
That said - for the type of game you describe as being your strengths - I'd recommend trying a shorter stick in general.
No easy answers I'm afraid - you've got some experimenting to do. 🙂
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1 hour ago, HockeyTactics said:Hi Guys,
i am currently searching advice on optimizing my curve to my preferences and playstyle. And you guys seemed quite knowledgeable on these topics to me.
So, I mostly play center and would characterise myself as a gritty playmaker. Meaning often times I find myself winning a battle at the boards or making a couple of dekes to beat my opposition and then drawing other opponents on to me which opens up nice passing options. Currently i am using a p28 which i like for the nice pocket and its deking potential, aswell as the toe shooting. But my feeling is, that this isn't the strongest passing blade since i am strugling with nice consistent saucer passes.
Since i am pretty tall I like to play with a long stick which helps with intercepting passes in the neutral zone and shielding the puck away from the opposition. Therefore i need a long blade with a lower lie.
I am not really a good finisher so my shot isn't really my greatest weapon. Still sometimes i get a really solid shot away. Most of the times it's a wrister because of the time and space you get but my slapshot on possible one timers is the more threatening weapon. Where i get the feeling that the p28 might not be the most benefitial. But around 60-70% of my goals come from in close when I have beaten a defender to the net or from my net front presence.
Summary:
-pass first center
-pocket for deking prefered
-long blade for intercepting passes
-lower lie (~ 5)
-open face for the roofing capabilityThanks for your suggestions in advance!
When you say long because you are tall - with no skates on and standing in your socks, where is the top of your stick hitting? Chin, lips, nose, eyebrows?
Usually long stick and strong on the boards are conflicting traits. Also trying to find loose pucks around the blue paint off rebounds and broken plays - a shorter stick tends to help there as it's usually in your feet or close to your body.
Curve wise the retails options are very limited. Retail P92 is out - with it's high lie at a long length you won't be getting much blade on the ice for those board battles or in front of the net. P92 L5 is a possibility but it means ordering a custom Bauer or lucking into one on sidelineswap or similar. I have found them to be rare.
P30 might be of interest but CCM seems to be ditching it so that's not a long term option either at retail.
P90T is maybe your best bet - pretty popular in pro stock and seems to be trending upwards maybe you can get it with custom orders now, I'm not sure.
Have you used a P88 before? It has the lie and pocket you are looking for, but it's closed not open. Just curious what your thoughts are on it if you've used it before.colins
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The 2S Pro is one of the better options available for a high instep. My son has a high instep and I didn't find the Nexus was any better for that on the Bauer side, even though the documentation suggests it should be.
Custom is an option, you can adjust the amount of facing (the height of the area by the eyelets) to add additional volume to the boot.
Did you try the pencil test on the 1S vs the 2S Pro to compare if there's any real difference? The 2S Pro tongue is super thick - is that contributing to the difference he's noticed? Also what footbeds did you have in the 1S vs. the 2S Pro?
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4 minutes ago, darkhors said:I agree here. I've had a Sparx for just about a year and the only time I run into "issues" is when I mess up the height of the starting point. I'm very detailed when it comes to things like this, so I try to get it perfect and once in a while I'll have to stop it after the first cycle to readjust the starting point because I'm just a hair to high. Other than that I haven't had any issues with it. It works just as it should and I've had multiple people in my league tell me how much better their skates feel then when they were getting them done at one of the local shops. To be fair (said in British accent), we don't have anyone in the area that I would consider to be a Professional skate sharpener, but we do have 1 or 2 people who have been doing it for a long time. That said, one of our guys is getting older and sometimes it seems like he's off just a bit so there's a very small bit of inconsistency.
The thing with the Sparx that I really like is that it doesn't change the profile of the blade unless you have the height adjustment too high. I have Blacksteel on my skates and I never have an issue with them. The only time I get out of pitch sounds is when someone gives me their skates and the blades are totally #$#@$ up with huge nicks and such. Once it levels the edge out though, it's back to the neutral pitch sound that we're used to. Having 5 pairs of skates to sharpen in the family makes it worth the time and money to have one of these.
100% agree with everything darkhors wrote here, my experience has been pretty much identical.
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Just now, colins said:The Sparx was calibrated for the majority of steel in the wild when it was created a few years ago. And not just for new steel either, for the average partially worn cheap short steel in 90% of skates out there. It's pretty adjustable to any situation with the height adjustments it provides.
That said, the answer for tall (LS3/4/Step/etc) brand new steel is simple - use the risers.
I don't know why some folks seem to have an aversion for using the risers. Use the risers, or move the skates up higher in the clamp (don't bottom them out on the holders) and you make tall steel look just like 'average' steel to the machine and your problems go away.
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The ring should not be dragging, stuttering or stalling at any point across the length of the profile. If it is, there's too much pressure/drag being encountered.
Use the risers and adjust the height until you get a nice smooth consistent sound (pitch) from the ring the entire length of the profile. I've been sharpening that way with my Sparx for three years now, my profiles are perfect and so are my Step and LS3/LS5 steel.
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9 hours ago, taymag said:I was told the issue I was having is "normal". While it may be, it is digging into my steel and I cant imagine it is going to go well but I wont know for a while. I don't think it transitions well on STEP or LS3 (any taller steel). That being said, take that with a grain of salt since I have only done a few sharpenings and am not trying to badmouth the company, the product seems solid, I just don't know that the transition when it hits tall steel is as flawless (you can see the minor dent with 1 sharpening on my old post a week or so ago). I want the Sparx to work more than you know, we have a huge wait to get sharpenings at the rink and it literally takes an hour+ extra on game day going early (thats assuming you even get a good sharpening). I am going to keep updating in here. Between answers here and answers from the company I have heard move the wheel down and move the wheel up, basically trial and error which sucks since I may ruin brand new steel but I'm willing to figure it out
The Sparx was calibrated for the majority of steel in the wild when it was created a few years ago. And not just for new steel either, for the average partially worn cheap short steel in 90% of skates out there. It's pretty adjustable to any situation with the height adjustments it provides.
That said, the answer for tall (LS3/4/Step/etc) brand new steel is simple - use the risers.
I don't know why some folks seem to have an aversion for using the risers. Use the risers, or move the skates up higher in the clamp (don't bottom them out on the holders) and you make tall steel look just like 'average' steel to the machine and your problems go away.
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The knees bend accordingly to maintain balance, but what you guys are describing is a hip hinge. The key to skating is in the hip hinge, as opposed to the knee bend. As described by the_game when he says 'ass and hips pulled down'.
Beflar - you should lookup some hip hinge exercises and practice those and see how that translates on ice and helps your posture without putting all the load on your quads. Then come back and let us know!-
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Both work. Choose which one suits you best.
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A $20 extension puts you back to a longer length if you cut too much, so I wouldn't worry about it being too expensive an experiment.
You give up shooting leverage and some mechanics when going significantly shorter, adjusting flex can get you part way back but it's still something you have to spend a good bit of time on to re-learn and adapt to. Crosby can't shoot like Laine but he manages to do pretty well for himself all the same right.
It's more a case of what style do you want to play and what's the best tradeoff for handling and puck protection and passing vs. shooting to compliment your playing style.
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Just now, Jbear said:I'm curious...there are a gazillion pro stock CCM and Warrior gloves and pants out there...why are there so many fewer Bauers available? I'm not complaining about it...when I was growing up in the game, pro gear was mystical, limited in selection and availability, and when we got it...it was special. Now, it's everywhere and the variety is...well...you could argue that there are too many choices. Anyway...why fewer Bauer PS options out there?
CCM is a lot more popular at the Junior and semi-pro level is what I assume drives the volume of pro stock options out there.
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You might want to try on the CCM FT480. Or last year's FT390/FT385/FT380.
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1 hour ago, Cosmic said:I’m curious about the length of the P90T. I consider the P30 to be a short blade lengthwise. Once I get to medium length (P88) I find that stickhandling becomes a bit more challenging.
i think the P28 is also a short blade lengthwise; I just don’t like how (as mentioned) the kink starts so close to the heel. Not only does it give a small area for backhands, but catching passes on the heel becomes a bit of a problem for me when moving and trying to time when the puck will hit the “wall” (and not the ramp) of the blade face. I have watched better players; they don’t seem to suffer from these nuances that plague hacks such as myself- but these are issues I need to consider when studying the curves for potential purchase. This P90T keeps sounding better and better.
The P40 is short. And the P14 is short.
But I didn't notice any difference in length between the P88 and P30. I would put all of P88/P30/P92/P19/P90T in the "medium" length category as far as overall blade length goes.
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Just now, colins said:I would have guessed the same as boo10 to be honest.
To my eye the P28 retail is on the right. So switch the other two, P90T on the Left and P28 pro stock middle? Hard to see in the 3 pic because of the shadows cast on each other.
If that's right then he bottom pic is missing the P28 retail.
I'm more convinced than ever that a bunch of sticks in the wild have no P90T label from the factory but are being sold and referred to as P90T, therefore anytime some is talking about a P90T it could be one of a variety of similar but not identical curves.
Is the P28 pro stock labelled as a P28? Or was it just sold as that?
Can we make this a weekly game on modsquadhockey? Someone posts 3 curves and it's left to the viewer to correctly guess which is which? lol
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2 hours ago, z1ggy said:Close but no.
I would have guessed the same as boo10 to be honest.
To my eye the P28 retail is on the right. So switch the other two, P90T on the Left and P28 pro stock middle? Hard to see in the 3 pic because of the shadows cast on each other.
If that's right then he bottom pic is missing the P28 retail.
I'm more convinced than ever that a bunch of sticks in the wild have no P90T label from the factory but are being sold and referred to as P90T, therefore anytime some is talking about a P90T it could be one of a variety of similar but not identical curves.
Is the P28 pro stock labelled as a P28? Or was it just sold as that?
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1) Daoust 501
2) Bauer Supreme 100
3) CCM Jetspeed
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On 10/28/2019 at 6:56 PM, boo10 said:Daoust 501s had titanium blades circa 1989
And it scrubbed off pretty easy. I owned a pair of these, had them for 10+ years, haven't found a skate as comfortable since.
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6 hours ago, Ryan91330 said:That's nice! I personally don't think it looks like a mix between the P92 and the p28, as it still looks more like a mid than a toe curve
To summarize:
I know the P30 is very much like a P88 until you get to the toe, then the toe kinks and is open, unlike the P88.
I *think* the P90T is also very much like a P88 until you get to the toe, it also kinks and is open, like the P30 and unlike the P88.
If anyone has both a P30 and a P90T in their hands and can compare and provide pics side by side I'd be interested particularly in any lie difference and the square or roundness of the toe between the two.
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@Ryan91330 Here’s a pic of a P90T ordered from hockeystickman that my son is using. It’s a CCM pro stock from the WHL. Coming from a P88, he says he loves this curve.
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5 minutes ago, Ryan91330 said:Could it perhaps suggest that the P30 is actually pretty different to the Benn then? Just curious, did you read somewhere that P30 = P90T? Definitely a very interesting chart - thanks for that!
No but I based it on this document from CCM, which again is somewhat contradictory (they describe the P90T as inbetween P28 and P29) but the pic they use from hockeystickman is identical to what I see as the P30, flat rocker, mid curve just like a P88, toe kink. This document was written a couple years ago before CCM launched the P30 at retail, so I'm just putting 2+2 together.
I have seen and compared a retail P30 in store to a P88 and P92 so I know what the P30 is like 100%, but I haven't yet got my hands on a P90T. The P30's I've seen look just like the pic below (always hard to tell with only one angle shown).
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1 minute ago, Ryan91330 said:Is there a difference between the Benn P90T and the P30 then? CCM already makes the P30, so if they were so similar it wouldn't make sense to do both right?
P30 is the retail version. P90T the pro stock. It's a CCM thing - P29 is retail, P90 is a pro stock P92 clone. P88 is retail, P80 is pro stock. Makes no sense to me, but that's how they do it.
Big problem as well with the pro stock P90T - if you search sideline swap for P90T curves, and have a look at the pics, it seems to me a lot of sellers are selling pro stock sticks that have no curve labelled on the stick as "P90T" , I assume because it looks similar to them. There's a wide variety of "P90T" curves for sale there that don't look the same in the pics to me, a lot of them not labelled on the shaft as P90T. Buyer beware.
The most complete CCM chart I've seen is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g0UwtZ8BHbBI10cG9z4YMXvS0UmP28u4/view
Notice there is no P90T listed - I'm not sure if CCM actually labels any sticks as P90T, maybe it's just Bauer using that code on pro stock. The P30 is described as "Very close to P88 but different toe (kink and toe)".
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Are your sticks longer, shorter or the same length as his? Higher or lower flex?
Assuming the same length and flex, I'd expect most players to not find a W03/P92 better than a P88/W88 for backhand shots.
The openness of the W03 towards the toe would typically impact backhand shots negatively vs. the closed nature of the P88 curve.
Crosby has one of the best back hand shots in the NHL, using a pretty neutral closed curve, closer to a PM9 than any of the above.
Not to focus on the backhands as I'm sure for a D man that's one of the lesser used shots he'll care about - but it just made me think maybe there's other variables at play if he somehow found your stick with a W03 better than his W88 for backhanders.