Funky Fresh!

[MNdgame 0]

How much use can you get out of one bottle? $18 seems kind of steep for one bottle..

[lesterhenson 0]

Well, let me think:

silver oxide

Are you sure it is not silver hydroxide?

Im lost on this whole silver because I dont know anyhting about silver etc. The only thing I could think of is if the silver oxide is bonded with a base to level the pH. WHen you mentioned sucks in all the odors that leads me to beleive that all actions being taken are just leveling out the pH in you equipment (check my post on the first page with Phenolphtalein example). Sorry, I dont have a lot of info on this one.

Concerning ozone, what is ozones chemical makeup? Is there any chance that it is H30?

[jimmy 194]

Concerning ozone, what is ozones chemical makeup? Is there any chance that it is H30?

Ozone is not a chemical. Ozone is a gas, 3 parts oxygen (o3). Gases can penetrate any porous object, making them perfect for reaching deep inside hockey equipment. Because gaseous ozone is highly reactive, it readily oxidizes (breaks down) organic matter. When the ozone encounters another compound, one oxygen atom will break away, attach itself to the compound, and oxidize it. Ozone actually breaks down odor-causing compounds, thereby eliminating the odor and changing the ozone back to oxygen (O2). Ozone occurs quite readily in nature most often as a result of lightning strikes that occur during thunderstorms. In fact that "fresh, clean, spring rain" smell that we notice after a storm results from nature’s creation of ozone.

HOW DOES OZONE WORK? Ozone kills bacteria by rupturing the cell wall of the offending organism. This action kills the bacteria leaving only harmless waste. After an ozone treatement, the bacteria is destroyed, not left dormant to resurect the odors.

[Hooah4 12]

Salming USA:

I since you mentioned that salt (NaCl) is the cause of odor, I bet that the Funk Free stuff is just a base, diluted in water, (scinetific terms) that evens out the pH of the compound, thus returning the smell to a normal state. And that would explain why your sales man used amonia on his test card and then sprayed it with Funk Free. Im suprised he didnt use something like HCl (hydrochloric acid), that probably because he compound of Funk Free was diluted to much to balance the pH of anyhting stronger than NH4 (amonium).

Just another insight though:

  acid+base= salt+H20

EDIT: I made a mistake so instead of typing this all over I will just correct myself:

Ammonium Hydroxide is a common type of BASE ( i thought it was an acid). So that musct mean that Funk Free is a weak acid. Maybe something like Boric acid.

Im kind of confused tho because a neutralization reaction is  acid+base= salt+H20. So wouldnt more salt be on your gear? If im right, then that would mean that you would have to keep appling Funk Free to keep the smell away.

Owell, it was worth a shot.

Please correct me if you see anything wrong.

Lester,

I really like your post, although I have to be honest that I don't understand it well!

Let me try to answer your questions with a question first. Are any acids safe to be digested? I only ask this because I've seen Mark spray Funk Free onto his tongue to prove it's safe. I don't think Boric acid is safe that way, but I don't know.

Regarding choosing ammonia, it may have been by accident. He was going to help me at the Vegas show, and we were trying to come up with a way to demonstrate Funk Free really works. I said he needed some type of scratch-n-sniff cards, and a week later he told me a friend suggested to him (Mark isn't a chemist) to spray ammonia onto card stock. Truthfully, the ammonia was diluted, because it would have taken too much spraying to prove the point.

The best way I can convey that the stuff really works is the test I did after I first started using it. Bear in mind that I met Mark at a tournament I was sponsoring and he handed out bottles to everybody on the team. I was very dubious, particularly because of the cost. I thought $12 for a bottle of spray that probably wouldn't work was ridiculous. So, I did the only test I could think of: I took my shin pad, which had been sprayed with Funk Free and aired out a few days earlier, and inhaled along the length. All I could smell was a slight citrus spray.

I was sold right there, especially when I realized a bottle would last between one to three months, depending on how often someone skates and how liberal they are in spraying.

The cool thing about Funk Free is you aren't limited to hockey equipment. Any equipment/bags that get smelly are candidates. As a matter of fact, Mark has a friend who sprays Funk Free into the kitty litter to kill the odors.

I can't say it any other way -- the stuff really works.

You probable ingest more acid fron a can of Coke (phosphoric acid) than from this stuff.

Chemistry makes my brain hurt.

[Jason Harris 31]

How much use can you get out of one bottle?  $18 seems kind of steep for one bottle..

When you say $18, are you converting to Canadian? I'm not sure if that's his Canadian price. It's $12 US.

Regarding how long it lasts, it obviously depends on how often you play hockey. It should easily last the once-a-week player three months. I play hockey two to three times a week, and I spray very liberally since it didn't cost me anything, and it lasted somewhere between six to eight weeks. (I was very stingy with my first bottle, before Mark and I began to network together, and it lasted about three-and-a-half months. :) )

[Guest Marcelo Cordoba]

When you say $18, are you converting to Canadian? I'm not sure if that's his Canadian price. It's $12 US.

A can of shaving cream with Lanolin is roughly $3.49US :D

[lesterhenson 0]

The whole ozone thing makes a lot of sense now.

[MNdgame 0]

How much use can you get out of one bottle?  $18 seems kind of steep for one bottle..

When you say $18, are you converting to Canadian? I'm not sure if that's his Canadian price. It's $12 US.

Regarding how long it lasts, it obviously depends on how often you play hockey. It should easily last the once-a-week player three months. I play hockey two to three times a week, and I spray very liberally since it didn't cost me anything, and it lasted somewhere between six to eight weeks. (I was very stingy with my first bottle, before Mark and I began to network together, and it lasted about three-and-a-half months. :) )

He charges 6 dollars shipping from his website, too. 12 + 6...

[Rustybender 0]

DO you notice the conjugation of acid at the end of bacteracide? Acid, yes, it is what levels the pH in your "funk."

You are reading way to much into this. "cide" is a common suffix that simply means "killer" or "the act of killing"

herbicide = herb(plant) killer

homicide = the act of killing a hom(man)

suicide = the act of killing su(oneself)

bacteriacide = bacteria killer

The only reason the word acid is in bacteriacide is becasue bacteria ends in "a"

it is just a coincidence.

I offer no insight on how the stuff works, I'm not familiar with the product. But I think you are making a lot of assumptions with very little information to base them on and you seem to have a fixation on acids.

Acid as an odor killer is a valid method if the odor is caused by an alkiline Ph.

However, If equipment odor is caused primarily by bacteria (which is most likely true,) then there are multiple methods to deal with it. Acid may be one, I honestly don't know.

That being said, the ammonia test would indicate there is some amount of acid in it because if this was just a bacteriacide, it would have no effect on ammonia.

Is the product containing acid cause for concern? It shouldn't be. People tend to have hollywood (eats through metal in seconds) acid in mind whenever they hear the word. In reality, most acids are harmless at commonly found concentrations.

[modernice 0]

By the way, Jason, this is Greg Beaudin with PuckSkin. You had told me about ModSquad, so I joined.

the Silver Oxide in PuckSkin you refer to is actually Silver Ions. They come in a yarn form and are sewn into the PuckSkin fabric on the outer layer creating a protection barrier against bacteria from your bag and equipment.

I have a Powerpoint (2mb) that explains the science behind it all...if anyone wants to see it.

To stay on topic... Funk Free, is it masking odor with odor or does it eliminate the bacteria? If it eliminates the bacteria, is it killing it? or just inhibiting the growth or clustering of it?

cheers

gb

[Jason Harris 31]

He charges 6 dollars shipping from his website, too. 12 + 6...

I believe he found a less expensive shipping method ($4.25) but he apparently hasn't updated his website.

In truth, he really doesn't want to sell the product directly. He wants players to go into retailers and buy the product at $12 locally. However, every new manufacturer needs to "seed" the market to help build demand, which is why he'll sell to players who don't have a retailer stocking the product nearby.

Having said that, I've listed Funk Free in my eBay Store to help create awareness. (I'm not taking any profit; I'm just doing it to help a friend.) Further, I've also said I would give a 10% discount to MSH members. So, if you're interested in trying a bottle, it would work out to $10.80 plus $2.50 shipping. You can either PM me or send an email to info@salmingusa.com (preferred).

Jason

[Jason Harris 31]

A can of shaving cream with Lanolin is roughly $3.49US :D

I know you were being somewhat in jest, Marcelo, but one thing about Funk Free is you can spray it on all your equipment: shoulder, shins, elbow, helmet, skates, etc.

Really, I think I'm such an evangelist for Funk Free now because I was really dubious at the start. I met Mark at a tournament I was sponsoring and he handed all of us a bottle. He asked me if I minded mentioning it to retailers when I visited them. At the time I thought, "You want me to sell up a $12 bottle of mineral water that is most like worthless?!? Are you crazy?"

But, once I tried the stuff and realized how well it works, Mark and I became friends and he helped me out in Vegas. And it was there that I realized how great a commodity Funk Free is for retailers, since players buy it every month. It's one thing I had to convey to my rep in New England, since he's new to the industry. He wanted to really push Salming, and I told him it's going to be a lot tougher than he realized because of the lack of brand awareness. I then told him the product he should focus on is Funk Free, because it's going to bring him back into the store every month; over time he'd be able to place his other products.

Sorry for the digression, but I was just trying to convey that I don't make any money on Funk Free. The product is outstanding and I'm just trying to help a friend who's helped me in the past.

[lesterhenson 0]

Sorry about my assumption for "bacteriacide." I just recently had a test on all these acids and bases so that is why it is stuck in my head. Concerning the ammonia test, I think that citrus acid is contained in Funk Free which would explain the ammonia testing and the citrus smell that Salming USA reported.

Thank you for your corrections,

Lester

[Jason Harris 31]

By the way, Jason, this is Greg Beaudin with PuckSkin. You had told me about ModSquad, so I joined.

To stay on topic... Funk Free, is it masking odor with odor or does it eliminate the bacteria? If it eliminates the bacteria, is it killing it? or just inhibiting the growth or clustering of it?

Oh, hi Greg. Welcome aboard.

And thanks for setting me straight. I tend to be the proverbial, "knows just enough to be dangerous" type! B)

Regarding Funk Free, I don't believe it is just masking the odor. Again, it's been presented to me that it breaks down sodium. Somebody earlier said something about Funk Free not wanting to give away trade secrets. Let's just say this wasn't Peter Parker figuring out how to make web shooters in his bedroom. There were major chemists involved.

[modernice 0]

Hi Jason

No problem, I can appreciate the concern about divulging too much info...

Maybe Funk Free can creat a bundling program with companies like Salming, PuckSkin others...the synergy would have to be there, but it could be a worthwhile branding strategy for both parties involved. Especially if you really believe in the product...this could be set up at the retailer level.

Buy A Pair of Salming PG1's and get FUNK FREE!

Buy a set of PuckSkins and get FUNK FREE!

Discount both good in the bundle so as to not lose too much margin etc.

just a thought...

BTW: last night at Hockey, there was some good discussion about hockey smells and techniques to combat them...everyone had their own strategy or "magic cure"

last year- noone was talking about this or even was aware that you could fight the smell, everyone was just content in their own wreek. pretty hilarious stuff...

[Chadd 916]

Around here most of the kids are proud of their smelly gear. They think it's funny when you wretch while trying to sharpen skates with mold and fungus on them.

I don't believe in things until I try them and Funk Free actually works for me. I hosed down my gear a few weeks ago and the smell has not yet returned despite leaving the gear in my car for a couple days while moving. I did go through it faster than a lot of other stuff that I've tried. Then again, I also used it on a couple pair of old crusty gloves and sprayed down a set of goalie equipment to further test it.

[ladystorm3 0]

Around here most of the kids are proud of their smelly gear. They think it's funny when you wretch while trying to sharpen skates with mold and fungus on them.

I don't believe in things until I try them and Funk Free actually works for me. I hosed down my gear a few weeks ago and the smell has not yet returned despite leaving the gear in my car for a couple days while moving. I did go through it faster than a lot of other stuff that I've tried. Then again, I also used it on a couple pair of old crusty gloves and sprayed down a set of goalie equipment to further test it.

did it help reduce the crustynesS? or did it cause more crusting in the gloves?

[Jason Harris 31]

did it help reduce the crustynesS? or did it cause more crusting in the gloves?

There is no crusting in your equipment from Funk Free. In fact, the goalie on my team says his glove is easier to open since he started using it.

[Jason Harris 31]

The cool thing about Funk Free is you aren't limited to hockey equipment. Any equipment/bags that get smelly are candidates. As a matter of fact, Mark has a friend who sprays Funk Free into the kitty litter to kill the odors.

I have a new testimonial to give on Funk Free.

We have a 8-foot by 5-foot dirt patch next to our front porch, which is under a roof so nothing grows. Whenever water got in there, we noticed that our cat must have been lazy during winter time, because it didn't smell good. Well, we added a kitten to the family and it seems he took after big brother.

Now, seven years later, it didn't need water to create any reminders, so we decided to cement over it and extend our porch. In leveling the area, I carried away two wheelbarrows, and let's just say it wasn't all dirt. B) However, I started worrying that maybe we might end up locking in the smell, so I sprayed a 16 oz. bottle of Funk Free over the forty square feet.

The result was pretty impressive. Whereas previously we could smell the odor from the front door, after sixteen hours we had to be standing in the dirt to smell it slightly. It became stronger again when I raked the dirt one last time, but I sprayed about another third of a bottle.

Jason

PS. On a different topic, I suffered my first concussion tonight, although it seems pretty mild. Apparently, I caught skates with someone then slammed my head into the boards. I told guys on the team I didn't quite remember what happened, and they told me I was done for about a minute. Really? Oh, yeah, as a matter of fact, someone took a shot and it hit you in the back or head since you were on the ground. Really? Yeah, and you tried getting up twice and fell back down. Really?

The fog's lifting but it definitely had been there. :D

[PJLime 0]

I think its been mentioned before, but soaking your gear in a dilute (dilute!) solution of bleach water will also kill the bacteria and any smell.

I've loaded all my equipment into a 35 gallon trash can and added two to three cups of bleach as I filled the trash can to the top with water. The gear started to float, so I put a cinder black in to hold it down. I soaked it for 6 hours or so then soaked the stuff for a couple of hours in clean water. It took the all the gear a couple of days to completely dry out. And a couple of months to start smelling again.

This was all done with cheap gear. I am sure people who spend a lot of money on their gear will balk at exposing their stuff to bleach. I've had no ill effects, though, and a bunch of the guys on my team do the same thing and no one else has any complaints.

Something to think about.

[biff44 0]

When my gear starts to smellin ripe, i soak it in hot water with amonia. ten i clean it in hot water with arm and hammer detergent. Comes out smelling sweet.

[awall 0]

I know that this is kinda old to bring back up, but I had something to add. I just picked up a bottle of Funk Free and wanted to offer a suggestion or a warning. I'm one of those guys who has sensitive skin, I have to be careful if I switch laundry detergents, and I suggest you be careful if you are sensitive and want to use this product. I picked up a bottle and it worked great, the smell was gone, but I noticed that after practice the parts of my elbow pads that I had sprayed that had skin contact were red and irritated. Minor allergic reaction in my case. This is more than likely an isolated case and it's just me, but I figured I would warn you check first before you coat your stuff and find out if you're allergic to it.

I ended up giving my bottle away and taking my equipment to hockey wash.

Adam

[Jason Harris 31]

Adam,

I'm sorry to hear you had a reaction. I will forward the information to Mark at Funk Free to see how prevalent this has been. I know he's drank the product to show its safety but, based on your story, that only means that he's not allergic to it.

Again, I'm sorry to hear the news.

[awall 0]

Adam,

I'm sorry to hear you had a reaction. I will forward the information to Mark at Funk Free to see how prevalent this has been. I know he's drank the product to show its safety but, based on your story, that only means that he's not allergic to it.

Again, I'm sorry to hear the news.

Yeah, me too. I would imagine my type of reaction is not all that common, but I figured I would at least mention it just to be safe. The only piece of equipment that it couldn't get the stink out of was my gloves and I figure that it was because I couldn't get the stuff in deep enough.

Adam

[Jason Harris 31]

You're right, inside the fingers of the gloves is tough. Some people turn the nozzle from "Spray" to "Stream" but that takes more time to spray each finger. I've taken to holding the fingers straight as I spray the inside, then I spray the fingers from the outside; I figure that's way better than anything I ever did in the past.