Can you trade your Crosby ball?

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are you crazy! :o why would anyone in their right mind trade away Crosby for anything? this is even thought he hasn't played a single nhl game but still has more hype then anyone in hockey in the last 10 years! just the tickets and extra marketing the team that gets him would get would be worth it. if someone like gretzky said that this kid has the best chance at breaking some of his records then this kid is a sure bet. any GM who trades away this kid in the draft will get fired or murdered if they are a GM for a canadian team.

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I don't think it's likely...but like someone said if you have a Que-Philly TYPE offer. 2-3 established players, picks, plus cash. Maybe you think about it.

Say (Whoever) has the #1. And Colorado says...we'll give you Sakic & Blake as well as (Insert Prospect here) and our #7 for your #1. Would you?

Now...I don't even know if Sakic/Blake are under contract...just play along.

I, personally, would not trade the #1 for anything.

[kosydar 0]

are you crazy! :o why would anyone in their right mind trade away Crosby for anything? this is even thought he hasn't played a single nhl game but still has more hype then anyone in hockey in the last 10 years! just the tickets and extra marketing the team that gets him would get would be worth it. if someone like gretzky said that this kid has the best chance at breaking some of his records then this kid is a sure bet. any GM who trades away this kid in the draft will get fired or murdered if they are a GM for a canadian team.

If a team like Columbus offered you Nash, Zherdev, plus their first round pick, I think you'd have to trade him. If the deal involved proven young players who have already excelled in the NHL, plus prospects, I think you'd be a fool not to take it. Then again, I doubt they'll ever be a deal like that proposed.

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i think it's safe to say that there is only two teams that could pull a deal like that... columbus with the guys you listed and atlanta (heatley, kovalchuk and first round pick). chance of those teams pulling off a deal like that is slim to none but even if they do i don't think who ever gets the crosby pick would jump all over it in a heart beat. it's like trading away lebron in the nba... that guy not only has the mad skills but is has so much hype behind his name that marketing and tickets alone make up a ton. i believe crosby can bring all that to what ever team he goes to so i think you'll not only have to throw in two crazy ass power house young players but also a few first round picks and not just one.

[Eazy_b97 1]

You don't know who has the ball and what they need. If Vancouver gets the pick a good goalie, a superstar and a ton of picks may be good enough. It all depends on who gets the pick, where they are in their current "plans".

You need to weigh what a guy like Crosby can do up against what are you getting. If you put up Crosby, vs. say Heatley, Kovalchuk and Lehtonen, plus say the 6th pick overall, you basically have to take it. Your getting your goalie of the future, your top line now and for the next 20 years, plus all of a sudden your whole team is ALOT better because you've filled a while line of holes.

It all depends on what teams are willing to give and whats needed. I doubt a trade will happen because everyone sees what Philly gave up. If Lindros stays Healthy, I think they may have looked alot better than they do.

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It all depends on what teams are willing to give and whats needed. I doubt a trade will happen because everyone sees what Philly gave up. If Lindros stays Healthy, I think they may have looked alot better than they do.

If they had put more talent around him in his prime, they most likely would have won multiple cups.

[Eazy_b97 1]

LOD?

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LOD?

LOD year one:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues...0000531995.html

Second best team around him

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues...0000531997.html

Best team around him and he was a borderline invalid at this point from the concussions and the pressure to continue playing from management and the fans.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues...0000532000.html

None of those are teams I would call loaded with talent.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I agree, I just wasn't sure of who he played with mostly. I know Brindy kind've replaced Renberg on the LOD for a while.

Watching some of the games, say after the Pens won the cup, the teams don't really seem to compare. Its kind've weird, I look at the Leafs in '98 where they went to the semi's and look at them now, and they are much better now, but doing much worse. I find it similar with Detroit, Col and some others. I look at their wins in the middle 90's and their teams are more talented now and seem to be more well rounded. You could possibly throw in Dallas and NJ into that mix as well. It could just be my imagination, but its odd. Then you think about teams like Carolina, Calgary and Anahiem making the finals and they just don't stack up at all.

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It goes to show what an equalizer the trap can be for the Ducks and the Canes to make the finals.

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I agree. The trap can be "The Great Equalizer". But then again, just because you play the trap does not mean you'll make it either. Many less talented teams play the trap and didn't get to the finals. I think everyone will agree, being successful has many factors. Yeah playing the trap in a dedicated and disciplined fashion helps, but you need the right guys to do it. The Duck lineup was pretty good. They weren't a joke. They had exceptional goaltending (every cup run rests on the back of a hot goalie). And I think they had one of the best records from the all-star break on.

I guess my point after all this rambling is that success needs a team effort. Single guys like Crosby you can build teams around, but that's just it, TEAM. The LOD line was carrying the Flyers, but they weren't a solid team. The Ducks had a some skilled guys, but together, they were a good team. Same with the Flames. Less talented guys, but together, a good team. Crosby is a good player, but I doubt his impact on his 1st team will be that big. If he lands on the Pens, his individual talent will shine. But to no avail. If he lands on TO, Detroit, something like that, his individual talent will be less obvious, but he will need to contribute to the whole team effort.

[Eazy_b97 1]

They weren't though. Thats the point. Where were the Ducks a season later? Where were the Canes? They weren't solid teams, they were teams that hit a good streak. Without the trap, none of the teams listed above would've made the finals.

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i think it's safe to say that there is only two teams that could pull a deal like that... columbus with the guys you listed and atlanta (heatley, kovalchuk and first round pick). chance of those teams pulling off a deal like that is slim to none but even if they do i don't think who ever gets the crosby pick would jump all over it in a heart beat. it's like trading away lebron in the nba... that guy not only has the mad skills but is has so much hype behind his name that marketing and tickets alone make up a ton. i believe crosby can bring all that to what ever team he goes to so i think you'll not only have to throw in two crazy ass power house young players but also a few first round picks and not just one.

Washington could very easily put together an amazing prospect package, but on the other hand the team receiving would need some established NHLers and that's where the deal falls through..

Ovechkin, Semin, and a 2nd (1st if you want?)

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i think it's safe to say that there is only two teams that could pull a deal like that... columbus with the guys you listed and atlanta (heatley, kovalchuk and first round pick).  chance of those teams pulling off a deal like that is slim to none but even if they do i don't think who ever gets the crosby pick would jump all over it in a heart beat.  it's like trading away lebron in the nba... that guy not only has the mad skills but is has so much hype behind his name that marketing and tickets alone make up a ton.   i believe crosby can bring all that to what ever team he goes to so i think you'll not only have to throw in two crazy ass power house young players but also a few first round picks and not just one.

Washington could very easily put together an amazing prospect package, but on the other hand the team receiving would need some established NHLers and that's where the deal falls through..

Ovechkin, Semin, and a 2nd (1st if you want?)

ovechkin is a for sure bet pick up but he has yet to play a single game in the nhl or north american style of play and to top it off he isn't even 100% sure he wants to come over. semin is also good for his age but he is no where close to being in the same league to be any part of a crosby deal. players like semin are just throw-ins for a deal like this.

[Chadd 916]

i think it's safe to say that there is only two teams that could pull a deal like that... columbus with the guys you listed and atlanta (heatley, kovalchuk and first round pick).  chance of those teams pulling off a deal like that is slim to none but even if they do i don't think who ever gets the crosby pick would jump all over it in a heart beat.  it's like trading away lebron in the nba... that guy not only has the mad skills but is has so much hype behind his name that marketing and tickets alone make up a ton.  i believe crosby can bring all that to what ever team he goes to so i think you'll not only have to throw in two crazy ass power house young players but also a few first round picks and not just one.

Washington could very easily put together an amazing prospect package, but on the other hand the team receiving would need some established NHLers and that's where the deal falls through..

Ovechkin, Semin, and a 2nd (1st if you want?)

ovechkin is a for sure bet pick up but he has yet to play a single game in the nhl or north american style of play and to top it off he isn't even 100% sure he wants to come over. semin is also good for his age but he is no where close to being in the same league to be any part of a crosby deal. players like semin are just throw-ins for a deal like this.

Ovechkin excercised his option to leave Russia. Word is he wants to go head to head against Crosby to prove himself.

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isn't really fair to crosby when it comes to seeing who would win the rookie of the year award. i mean isn't ovechkin like 3 years older then crosby. i know ovechkin missed one draft by like a day because of his birthday or something like that. i think he was drafted as a 19 year old... so missing a year would make him 20 and now this year he could be 21 when crosby is 18.

[Eazy_b97 1]

If he's worried about loosing the Calder because he is a year younger than Ovechkin he's in trouble. He's been playing against 20+ year olds for 3 years now, and is jumping in against players like Pronger, Kovalchuk, Heatley who are.... well men. Not everyone in Juniors is. It's not "unfair" at all, its how the game is played. Whose to say Ovechkin wouldn't have stayed in Russia last year? Kovalchuk would've won it as an 18 year old if not for his injury.