Super feet (grey)

[Law Goalie 147]

Fredrik:

I definitely noticed a difference, personally, between the overall fit around the boot with and without supportive insoles. I tried using an old pair of Green Superfeet in my Daousts (punched, not baked), and they completely ruined the fit - way too thick, pushed my foot into an uncomfortable position. Graf also seems to think that bake-able skates need to be done after the insole are settled: at least, that's the procedure in the stores that are doing the new Graf/Sidas custom insoles.

And yeah, he was talking about the custom Superfeet - the regular grey ones don't need anything "done" beyond a little trimming.

[Hudson14 0]

shock doctors are awesome, they come in eastons high end. They are really compfy.

[Fredrik 0]

Fredrik:

I definitely noticed a difference, personally, between the overall fit around the boot with and without supportive insoles. I tried using an old pair of Green Superfeet in my Daousts (punched, not baked), and they completely ruined the fit - way too thick, pushed my foot into an uncomfortable position. Graf also seems to think that bake-able skates need to be done after the insole are settled: at least, that's the procedure in the stores that are doing the new Graf/Sidas custom insoles.

And yeah, he was talking about the custom Superfeet - the regular grey ones don't need anything "done" beyond a little trimming.

Thank's Law Goalie!

Alright, so i guess it comes down to do the heat molding with stock insoles, and then (after the baking) change insoles to the Superfeet grey right?

[tsanga 0]

Alright, so i guess it comes down to do the heat molding with stock insoles, and then (after the baking) change insoles to the Superfeet grey right?

Just take the stock insoles out before you put them in the oven, and put the Superfeet in right after they come out of the oven before you put your feet in to lace them up.

[Storm 0]

I may be bringing custom Superfeets to my stores - it's a station with a chair, an oven to heat up the plastic and a foot-activated vacuum. They did the procedure to me in Toronto, I have not skated on them (that is going to be the deal-breaker)

So what's the verdict? Thanks.

[wonderenzo 0]

Toronto Hockey Repair recently started selling the Sidas Conformable custom footbeds. They're a Graf re-brand of Sidas, who've been really popular in cycling circles for quite some time. It works more or less as JR described the custom Superfeet, except that the Sidas process is a good bit more in-depth.

They come free in the new Graf Ultra G-series skates, or on their own for $100 a pair. The process takes the better part of an hour, from the initial measurements through to the final trim-fit in the skates.

Can't speak to the results yet, but I'll post a review when I've had them done.

Sidas makes really good ski insoles, but their insole for hockey does not match the angle of a skate. It is made on a last that is flat, as opposed to the gray superfeet which is made on the same last a skate should be.

theres a big shop in Edmonton thats been doing it for 3+ yrs now.

[Law Goalie 147]

Are these the Sidas 'Ski & Skate' insoles, or the Graf-branded ones you're talking about?

The Graf ones have only been out for a few weeks, and are, I'm told, much closer to the original cycling design than anything else. Also, the people training the LHS staff are Graf reps, not Sidas.

[sogaduch 0]

Are these the Sidas 'Ski & Skate' insoles, or the Graf-branded ones you're talking about?

The Graf ones have only been out for a few weeks, and are, I'm told, much closer to the original cycling design than anything else. Also, the people training the LHS staff are Graf reps, not Sidas.

yes Graf did do the training and the process for everything is actually around 20mins if you know what your doing, have a pair in my Grafs and got them made when I went for the training and ive skated on them about a good solid 20 times already and previously I used the grey superfeets and yes I cound the foot was locked abit more in the superfeets but I felt more stable in the Graf ones. I prefer the Graf ones alot more just because there made for your foot and has the metatarsal arch if im not mistaken on the spelling(basically the arch that runs across the width of your foot) aswell as the arch that runs along the length of your foot when your in the windlass position(bent knee toes up)

The insole does come in two styles on for a more general person and one for a much heavier set person. Now for people who are getting this insole you do not want to heat the skates up with these insoles in them due to the fact that these insoles are created by heat and having them put in an oven will ruin the formation of it on your foot.

Not all graf retailers are doing this insole, from what I gathered at the training seminar was there is a select few shops across north america that BOUGHT into this insole, the machine that is used for the machine was not given to the LHS's they bought it so the shops that did buy into this insole really believe in the Graf philosophy.

In my opinion these insoles are amazing and would reccomend these highly with any skate purchase

[wonderenzo 0]

the only problem i have seen with the graf insoles is they do not match a true last of a persons foot. it is made on a flat last like the sidas ski insoles. this is great for ski boots..but not for hockey skates. Hockey skates are not flat, therefore a flat insole works against what the skate is trying to do. The idea is to support the heal, which then supports the arch. It is design to lock your metatarsal which increase power off your toe. Superfeet can also be made for your foot and they are cheaper than the graf customs. I have seen the graf customs go for 129 (CND) while superfeet customs have been selling for 100 (CND) 65(US). Look for some Bauer Custom 100. (early 70s) the insole is superfeet.

And your saying that select shops bought into the insole.. a shop 20 min from graf factory was forced to carry the chair if they wanted to carry graf.

Superfeet are amazing, but the sidas/graf insoles are still better than the shit everyone else is using.

[Law Goalie 147]

Interesting... I'll have to head down to THR and have a look at the last of the custom Graf/Sidas insoles they had done as demos and samples. I *had* thought that they matched the last of the insole to the last of the skate, but I may have just assumed that. Definitely worth looking into.

If the insole are heat-moldable, maybe there's a way to mate them to the last of the skate even if the de facto process doesn't accomplish that.

And just FYI, THR is selling the Grafs for $100 CDN.

[sogaduch 0]

the only problem i have seen with the graf insoles is they do not match a true last of a persons foot. it is made on a flat last like the sidas ski insoles. this is great for ski boots..but not for hockey skates. Hockey skates are not flat, therefore a flat insole works against what the skate is trying to do. The idea is to support the heal, which then supports the arch. It is design to lock your metatarsal which increase power off your toe. Superfeet can also be made for your foot and they are cheaper than the graf customs. I have seen the graf customs go for 129 (CND) while superfeet customs have been selling for 100 (CND) 65(US). Look for some Bauer Custom 100. (early 70s) the insole is superfeet.

And your saying that select shops bought into the insole.. a shop 20 min from graf factory was forced to carry the chair if they wanted to carry graf.

Superfeet are amazing, but the sidas/graf insoles are still better than the shit everyone else is using.

Well i find the sidas footbeds much better because its molded to my foot, where in the superfeet custom insoles even is there a shape of your foot thats visible on it, the superfeet insoles just use a piece of plastic on the heel thats it.

[wonderenzo 0]

And just FYI, THR is selling the Grafs for $100 CDN.

good stuff, i dont live in canada so its not really 100% aware to me. the demo we had just had that price tag on it.

[sogaduch 0]

And just FYI, THR is selling the Grafs for $100 CDN.

good stuff, i dont live in canada so its not really 100% aware to me. the demo we had just had that price tag on it.

there are shops that do have it in the states just not sure where thats all.

[Law Goalie 147]

HockeyMonkey has them, but they seem to only be advertising them as a new feature of Graf skates, not as a separate item.

In typical Graf fashion, this is a potentially great product getting absolutely no exposure and with only scraps of information floating around. Most of what I understood came from cycling sites in the UK and France... and it doesn't help that Sidas' website is even less helpful than Graf's.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

I have not seen the Sidas footbeds, but I am with wonderenzo on this one - if an orthotic does not fit the profile of a hockey skate, it will not do you any good.

[Law Goalie 147]

This is good stuff... now I know exactly what to look for and ask when I go in to see about my (potential) pair.

[wonderenzo 0]

while on this subject... after looking at the graf insoles and hearing they are standard with the ultras and after talking with a big big graf retailer. curious wether the states will be forced to mold the foot beds as well, or we will get the new improved stock liner.. any comments would help i like the ultras and would love to keep selling them.

[Law Goalie 147]

I do know that Graf has two different lines of Sidas insoles: a trim-to-fit one much like the Grey Superfeet, and the Conformable mould-to-fit.

Presumably, shops don't have the Sidas machine won't get the Conformable insoles, but will get the trim-to-fit insoles instead.

[sogaduch 0]

I do know that Graf has two different lines of Sidas insoles: a trim-to-fit one much like the Grey Superfeet, and the Conformable mould-to-fit.

Presumably, shops don't have the Sidas machine won't get the Conformable insoles, but will get the trim-to-fit insoles instead.

yes its true shops without the machine will just get a regular trim to fit one which is kinda like superfeet but not, just because the one that Graf has, has these little cuts along the back part to allow the footbed to flex and move with your foot when your skating and giving muscle alignment instead of bone alignment. Now there are also 2 different mould to fit ones. The first or the one thats going to be in the Ultra series is going to be just a standard one for regular people where the other one is meant for hate to say this but heavier set people so meaning 220+ in weight roughly

[Doctor Hook 0]

Rocked Superfeets greys last night at my beer league game. It was a little weird feeling, at first, like I was balancing on paperback books, but after a few shifts I got used to it and I like how they feel. No more footpain either. Kind of make my 5-year-old skates feel new again, in a good way.

[W.Malone 0]

for anyone looking for a good price, i just ordered some off epuck for 25.

[Doctor Hook 0]

for anyone looking for a good price, i just ordered some off epuck for 25.

And Icewarehouse for about the same price as well.

[Storm 0]

I decided to get custom Superfeet rather than the regular ones.

Without boring you with my whole story I would say that I would not recommend the custom Superfeet.

If you like Superfeet and want to customize them without spending the extra money for custom ones, you can do so using a heat gun and pressing the arch with your hands up against your foot.

The process for customs is as follows: They place the plastic outer sole in a toaster oven that is underneath the chair, then they glue the outer sole to the sole and tape the sole to your foot with what I think was Velcro straps.

They put your foot with the sole taped to your foot in a bag and suck out the air causing a vacuum and forcing the superfeet to stick to your foot.

It should be noted that your foot is hanging freely from the elevated chair and not touching the floor.

[lyle.m23 0]

count youselfs lucky

we in the uk haves to pay £34 for them (about $68)

[top 1974 0]

STORM - Thanks for the feedback on the superfeet customs. i was just about to have a pair made.....Think i'll try the heatgun method....