Jack Johnson - World Jrs.

[Miike 1]

Just wondering if anybody saw the Canada vs. USA game? At the end where Chipchura scored with under a minute to go, behind the play Jack Johnson threw a wicked elbow the Steve Downie's head. Anybody see this?

[hockeyfalcons456 0]

Yeah thats was dirty and just unsportsman like, like suck it up and take the loss.

[Dangles 0]

Him and Kessel seem like selfish Americans that can't stand to lose. Totally uncalled for an inappropriate to one of Canada's best players thus far in the tournament. How did he get player of the game for the US? Who chooses that? Downie was also being unselfish by passing it off to Chipchura, when he could've done it himself. JJ should be kicked out of the tournament, although a match penalty was not called, only five and a game. Really putrs shame to Americans and yet another reason to dislike USA Hockey..

[GeeZa32 0]

Him and Kessel seem like selfish Americans that can't stand to lose. Totally uncalled for an inappropriate to one of Canada's best players thus far in the tournament. How did he get player of the game for the US? Who chooses that? Downie was also being unselfish by passing it off to Chipchura, when he could've done it himself. JJ should be kicked out of the tournament, although a match penalty was not called, only five and a game. Really putrs shame to Americans and yet another reason to dislike USA Hockey..

LOL.

Are you really questioning his selection?

[DarkStar50 679]

And I loved the way Pierre never bothered to mention the slash Downie took at the back of Johnson's leg before Downie took the elbow to the head. Downie does not have Mother Teresa's reputation as a player. He is the leader in the hazing mess that cost the coach in Windsor(I think) his career. Downie wasted a rookie in practice as well. So, before we nominate Downie for Lady Byng Trophy and lynch Johnson from the nearest Canadian Maple Tree, lets back track and see what started this. The game is 60 minutes long. I'm sure Downie must have done a little something along the way to end up flat on the ice with a minute to go. I'm not saying what Johnson did is right, but this ain't tennis.

[McCabe24 0]

The point is he ruined anything he did in the game up to that point with the cheap shot, why they didn't switch it to someone like Bourque or the other Johnson while they were helping Downie to the bench is beyond me.

[GeeZa32 0]

The point is he ruined anything he did in the game up to that point with the cheap shot

Nope.

He was still player of the game.

[Miike 1]

And I loved the way Pierre never bothered to mention the slash Downie took at the back of Johnson's leg before Downie took the elbow to the head. Downie does not have Mother Teresa's reputation as a player. He is the leader in the hazing mess that cost the coach in Windsor(I think) his career. Downie wasted a rookie in practice as well. So, before we nominate Downie for Lady Byng Trophy and lynch Johnson from the nearest Canadian Maple Tree, lets back track and see what started this. The game is 60 minutes long. I'm sure Downie must have done a little something along the way to end up flat on the ice with a minute to go. I'm not saying what Johnson did is right, but this ain't tennis.

I guess you never seen how they both exhanged whacks at eachothers legs, which was fine, in a tight game like that, but Johnson took a clear cheapshot.

[Miike 1]

The point is he ruined anything he did in the game up to that point with the cheap shot

Nope.

He was still player of the game.

I dont know how he got MVP, even leading up to that point. He wasnt outstanding in my view, If i would of gave it to anybody it would of been probably the goalie because the score could of reflected a little higher than it did, i think thats why Pogge got it aswell.

[DarkStar50 679]

And I loved the way Pierre never bothered to mention the slash Downie took at the back of Johnson's leg before Downie took the elbow to the head. Downie does not have Mother Teresa's reputation as a player. He is the leader in the hazing mess that cost the coach in Windsor(I think) his career. Downie wasted a rookie in practice as well. So, before we nominate Downie for Lady Byng Trophy and lynch Johnson from the nearest Canadian Maple Tree, lets back track and see what started this. The game is 60 minutes long. I'm sure Downie must have done a little something along the way to end up flat on the ice with a minute to go. I'm not saying what Johnson did is right, but this ain't tennis.

I guess you never seen how they both exhanged whacks at eachothers legs, which was fine, in a tight game like that, but Johnson took a clear cheapshot.

Not on that play they did.

[McCabe24 0]

The point is he ruined anything he did in the game up to that point with the cheap shot

Nope.

He was still player of the game.

Technically you are right because it only took a split second to deliver the elbow but actions like those of Johnson should not be condoned. If we are fine with cheapshots then why are still complaining about Bertuzzi and resenting him being named to the Olympic team? What does it say to a young player watching the game when he sees no discipline for a blatant cheap shot by a frustrated star player?

[GeeZa32 0]

The point is he ruined anything he did in the game up to that point with the cheap shot

Nope.

He was still player of the game.

Technically you are right because it only took a split second to deliver the elbow but actions like those of Johnson should not be condoned. If we are fine with cheapshots then why are still complaining about Bertuzzi and resenting him being named to the Olympic team? What does it say to a young player watching the game when he sees no discipline for a blatant cheap shot by a frustrated star player?

Because Bertuzzi ended a players career, Johnson took a swipe at a notorious slimeball(Akim Aliu is on line 1, I put him on hold btw) grazing his face, just so Downey could make it look like he just got hit from shrap from a grenade. Big difference.

[McCabe24 0]

The point is he ruined anything he did in the game up to that point with the cheap shot

Nope.

He was still player of the game.

Technically you are right because it only took a split second to deliver the elbow but actions like those of Johnson should not be condoned. If we are fine with cheapshots then why are still complaining about Bertuzzi and resenting him being named to the Olympic team? What does it say to a young player watching the game when he sees no discipline for a blatant cheap shot by a frustrated star player?

Because Bertuzzi ended a players career, Johnson took a swipe at a notorious slimeball(Akim Aliu is on line 1, I put him on hold btw) grazing his face, just so Downey could make it look like he just got hit from shrap from a grenade. Big difference.

It's still a cheap shot though and part of what is wrong with the integrity in hockey these days. Not trying to say Downie is innocent as a player but you still don't stick an elbow up like that immediatly after the puck crosses the goal line. We will never know if Downie pulls the cheap shot on Johnson had the roles been reversed but there is no excuse for what Johnson did, he was in control of his actions and was out of line with them.

[DarkStar50 679]

thanks McCabe for addressing the point I am about to make: If the roles were reversed and it was a Canadian boy dropping the American with the Jawbreaker, many of the Canadian guys would say "Well, he had it coming to him." And you guys know thats the truth.

[Dangles 0]

Theo, it was tied at that point and a tie was the exact same as a loss since Canada would've had more points. Only a win would've done the US good and so they were pulling out all the stops.

That is Downie's job as being a pest. So far in the tournament, he's done everything legally and nothing that should cause JJ to do that deliberatly.

[Cavs019 708]

Was I the only one that thought it looked like Johnson barely grazed him with the elbow, if at all? The intent to injure is one thing, but Downie did a very nice acting job if anything else.

[Dangles 0]

If some people are going to call it a graze, go for it. The objective was there and he still got a good chunk of Downie's face, no matter what force was applied.

[McCabe24 0]

So after seeing the replay on the highlights I also caught a slash on the arm/wrist of Chipchura by a different US player, didn't catch the number so I won't throw out a name I knew was on the ice.

In regards to the exchange of slashes between Johnson and Downie I caught Downie's on the first replay and Johnson's on the second. From what I saw it looks like Downie was retaliating to a Johnson slash although who knows what was said or done heading up the ice beside the two players at hand.

Another thing that stands out was Schremp saying in a post game interview that he didn't know what Downie was doing in that position anyways. Come on, he was following up the play to celebrate with his teammate and make sure he was in position in case Chipchura didn't score seeing as it wasn't like there weren't two American players inside the blueline.

That's it from me though, Johnson was out of line but didn't get suspended and is good to go for the quarterfinals on Monday. Nothing we can do about it now, at least I know I would never throw up the elbow like Johnson did.

Happy New Year and enjoy the rest of the tournament.

[Miike 1]

That's it from me though, Johnson was out of line but didn't get suspended and is good to go for the quarterfinals on Monday.

Not totally, the IIHF can still review it further. Just because he didnt get a Match Penalty doesnt mean he cant be suspended.

CAVS - I agree from the view that i assume mostly everybody got it looked like he barely got him, but i guess we'd need to see from a better view to know what actually happened. Its just that the intent was there.

[McCabe24 0]

It just said on Sportscentre that they reviewed the play and he won't face further disciplinary action, although there was really none in the first place either.

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/news_story/?ID=148998&hubname=

[Miike 1]

Oh sorry, I didnt realize that.

I think if he would of connected fully with that elbow that Downie would of been out cold.

[McCabe24 0]

Maybe, if so Downie is lucky that Chipchura turned the way he did and took him from the path he was travelling. Looks like Johnson threw it out huge but Downie was turning away and their paths never totally crossed.

[Duder84 0]

just old time hockey really, i mean, the intent was there, but i'm pretty sure downie had a hand in initiatiing it, lets just leave it at that, they all got what they deserved

[McCabe24 0]

So after seeing the replay on the highlights I also caught a slash on the arm/wrist of Chipchura by a different US player, didn't catch the number so I won't throw out a name I knew was on the ice.

Saw another replay, it was Kessel with the slash on Chipchura. Speaking of Chipchura he said he almost lost the puck at one point, what kind of shape would Canada be in if they were out of position with Kessel and Johnson leading the rush with 30 seconds left? Like I said before though, it's a dead issue now and all we can do is enjoy the rest of the tournament.

[Adam91 0]

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