rules question: scoring on dislodged nets

[cause4alarm 6]

The common belief is that you can't count a goal scored on a dislodged net. Yet, I could have sworn I heard about an exception:

If the puck is clearly and obviously going to go in, had the net not been dislodged, then the goal will count.

For instance, if the goalie is completely out of position and leaving the net open, a offender shoots, a defender causes the net to shift, say, an inch, off the moorings, and the puck slides straight down the middle of the crease on the ice so that there's no doubt as to whether or not it would have gone in otherwise, wouldn't this still be ruled as a goal?

[kosydar 0]

Its questions like these that make me glad I always have a ref partner who I can use as a scapegoat for not knowing the answer.

[Patrick67 1]

All big games I've played were this has occured:

Semi-finale against Germany(u18)- OT, one of our players does a wrap-around, goalie deliberately pushes the net since he was situated at the other side of the goal-crease..... The puck still went into the net, but, no-goal. We even lost that game, bloody disgrace by him & the referees.

Finale in Gbg Cup, one of our d-mens slapper goes right through the net. Goal is allowed and we end up winning 5-2.

Various inlinegames, it's always been allowed, we even had a game were the opposing teams goalie came over to the ref and said it was a goal B) which caused clapping from our bench.

IMO it should always count, bar pentalties/other special instences in front of the goal.

[hamstercaster 2]

If I rely on the NHL referees interpretation of the rule, they will only call it a goal if the puck went in before the net was dislodged. If the net got off his mourings before the puck went in, for what I've seen anyway, the goals never counted.

[repus 0]

From Rule 609 of the USA Hockey rulebook:

Delaying the Game:

"If a player of the defending team deliberately displaces the

goal and, in the opinion of the Referee, the puck would have

entered the goal had it not been displaced, or if the defending

team deliberately displaces the goal when the goalkeeper is

off the ice, thereby preventing an obvious and imminent

goal, a goal shall be awarded in lieu of a penalty shot.

(Note) A player with a “break-away†is defined as a player

in control of the puck with no opposition between the player

and the opposing goal and with a reasonable scoring

opportunity.

"

[Justin K. 0]

NHL has the same rule (51c):

In the event that a goal post is deliberately displaced by a defending player, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goal posts, the Referee may award a goal.

In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been deliberately displaced by a defending player, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in the act of shooting) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.

[cause4alarm 6]

609 and 51c--I'm committing those numbers to memory. I hope you guys didn't just make all that up.

[Cheechoo 0]

Not the same, but another rule that some people aren't aware of:

We were up by a goal with less than a minute to go. The other team pulls their goalie. One of our forwards gets the puck in our end, skates it up, stops right before the goal line and taps the puck in. Ref says "no goal" because he was in the crease! We argued with the ref a bit, saying that the in-the-crease rule is intended to protect the goalie, but since there was no goalie, the goal should count. We looked it up after the game, and here it is:

Rule 621(d)

When the puck is in the Attacking Zone and not in the goal

crease, a player of the attacking team may not stand on the

goal crease line or in the goal crease, hold his stick in the

goal crease or skate through the goal crease. If the puck

should enter the goal while such a condition prevails, a goal

shall not be allowed. For violation of this rule, while the

attacking team has possession of the puck, play shall be

stopped and a face-off held at the nearest Neutral Zone faceoff

spot.

Note: This rule shall not apply when the goalkeeper is out

of his goal crease.