supreme 70 arch problem

[tyco 0]

I bought a pair of supreme 70's and in the store they felt fine. At home i've been walking around in them to help break them in. As they start loosening up and i can tie them a little tighter, i'm realizing that the insole has a high arch and it's definitely uncomfortable on the foot. i haven't skated in them yet, but i'm pretty sure those mounds i feel in my arch will lead to foot cramps and pain. The skate itself may have a bit of built in arch, but it's not that significant since when i remove the insole and tie the skates as tight as i can they feel comfortable and the footbed seems flat enough (altho i obviously don't like the feel of rivets on my foot).

All this seems to indicate that i have a low arch. from my search on the forum on low arch/flat foot, it looks like i'm "pronating" and should use grey superfeets. My issue with this is that the wear on all my sneakers and boots are actually on the outside, implying that i'm actually supinating?? also, when i went to the local store to check out the superfeet, they seem to be pretty thick insoles with pronounced arch. wouldn't an insole with aggressive arch bother me even more?

i'm confused now as to whether i should be looking for flat as possible insoles, or buy some superfeet (which are $40!!). i'm hesitant to try the "do not tie the skates at tight in the arch area" as it does alleviate the pain, but will wear the skate out faster.

btw- i tried on a pair of synergy 1200c (after buying my skates), and they felt very comfortable; they seemed to have a relatively low arched footbed. i only mention this incase someone who knows skate fitting would have an idea of what kinda foot i have if i'm comfortable in those type of skates.

[zochi 1]

Thats what bauer is pretty famous for (high arch)

You would have been better off buying the Eastons

[Jason16 0]

You are supinating, disregard the information you found which suggests you pronate. Perhaps you got confused with mentions of “over-pronating†which is sometimes used interchangeably with “supination�

Superfeet insoles are fantastic and I used them myself prior to having custom orthotics made. There is definitely an adjustment period for your body to acclimatize to the added support and you may feel nauseous during the break-in period. But believe me after you have adjusted, your feet and your back will thank you. $40 may seem expensive for insoles but it is substantially less than custom skate orthotics which can cost upwards of $500 CAD a pair.

Maybe try loosening the laces around the arch first. It’s pretty common for individuals to yank on the laces around that area but the boot should be stiff enough in hold your feet in pretty well. I’ve always been told the eyelets around the ankle should be the tightest. I don’t see how this would lead to premature breakdown the boot.

Although I have never done this myself and have only heard from other players, you can have the arch of the boot punched out to better accommodate your flatter feet and then put in the Superfeet. You may want to wait for more knowledgeable posters to comment on that though.

Hope this helps

[Muzza_77 0]

Don't the eastons use ShockDoctor footbeds? why don't you try a shockdoctor footbed?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Thats what bauer is pretty famous for (high arch)

You would have been better off buying the Eastons

Bauers espically the Supreme line have no arch not a high arch.

And Superfeet are for sure the way to go although if you are supinating or pronating to a degree to bother your arches I would like to see the foot you have to see if that is really the skate for your foot? As well as the sizes of the skates shoes etc.

[hockeymom 2]

Hey tyco...

How are your skates?

[tyco 0]

my skate situation has not gotten any better....

i've talked with many people and there doesn't seem to be an easy solution. Essentially, there's something a little odd about my right foot...it must be extremely flat or something. Most skates have a little ridge on the footbed (not the insole, the actual skate footbed) where the skates dips a little from the heel to the toes. It's that little declination in the skate that my right foot is extremely sensitive to. it's not a question of just the arch, but my whole middle foot feels as though it's standing on a ridge....

it's not something that can be punched....and short of a custom skate i'm not sure what to do. the only skate that feels significantly better are the Easton Synergy's 800C/1300C. Those skates seem to have a flat footbed.

I've had ski boots, rollerblades, aggresive inlines skates, and all my sneakers have fit fine with no pain. and the one thing in common they all had was a flat footbed.

i'm wondering what brands of ice skates would have a flat footbed: easton synergy is the best to date. I've tried bauer vapor, supreme, rbk, mission. maybe ccm?

[SWP27 0]

Don't want to break into your thread tyco, but I also have the supreme 70 and I am wondering why its hurting in a 1.5 hr practice? I used the L7 before, now they are my back up skates, and they seem to be fine.. (not sure how the arches are on those skates).

[hockeymom 2]

Bauer has a pretty flat footbed... Eastons are completely flat (so flat they are too flat for my flat-footed daughter - if that is english...lol)

OldTrainerGuy was talking in a different thread about shaving the footbed... you probably need to catch up with him to find out about that.

** EDIT - oh yeah, LOL, break out the camera... he'll want to see your foot.

[indaslot 0]

what about custom orthotics?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Bauer has a pretty flat footbed... Eastons are completely flat (so flat they are too flat for my flat-footed daughter - if that is english...lol)

OldTrainerGuy was talking in a different thread about shaving the footbed... you probably need to catch up with him to find out about that.

** EDIT - oh yeah, LOL, break out the camera... he'll want to see your foot.

already been there done that,...I would say go with the 800 after all is said and done if it feels ok and with the looks of you foot it might be the only one to fit properly.

Now that being said they fit larger so you might only be about a size down from your shoes with this skate.

[Rick 0]

I don't know if this will help but it may be worth a try.........

I have a pair of the old Bauer H-9 Pro roller hockey skates and they would just kill my feet if I laced them tight enough to give any good support at all. It felt like someone was driving a nail in the bottom of my foot/arch after about five minutes of skating. After writing the Bauer H-9's off for several years I finally pulled the Bauer foot bed out and replaced it with a footbed from my CCM 552's. Much to my surprise I discovered that alot of the high/tall arch was built into the Bauer footbed. Changing to the CCM footbed helped a bunch but the skate still is not as comfortable as my CCM's. I dont know if all of the footbeds that come in Bauer skates have the high/padded arch or not but there is a definate difference between mine and my CCM footbeds.

Hope this helps.....Rick Henry

[tyco 0]

Bauer has a pretty flat footbed... Eastons are completely flat (so flat they are too flat for my flat-footed daughter - if that is english...lol)

OldTrainerGuy was talking in a different thread about shaving the footbed... you probably need to catch up with him to find out about that.

** EDIT - oh yeah, LOL, break out the camera... he'll want to see your foot.

trust me, bauer skates (vapor or supreme line) aren't flat...

forget laser levels from home depot, my right foot should become the ultimate tool to measure flatness...!

I just need to put my foot on the skate footbed (without insoles) and i can tell right away. the presence of an insole skews things because of the padding, but 30 seconds later when standing i'll feel the unflatness of a skate right thru the insole.

[Hooah4 12]

They skates may indeed have a small, low arch. It may be you foot that is not used to feeling any support in that area and now the muscles in you foot that overcompensated are in revolt. Listen to OTG....he knows alot about skates. He helped me out tremendously and pointed me in the right direction.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Bauer has a pretty flat footbed... Eastons are completely flat (so flat they are too flat for my flat-footed daughter - if that is english...lol)

OldTrainerGuy was talking in a different thread about shaving the footbed... you probably need to catch up with him to find out about that.

** EDIT - oh yeah, LOL, break out the camera... he'll want to see your foot.

trust me, bauer skates (vapor or supreme line) aren't flat...

forget laser levels from home depot, my right foot should become the ultimate tool to measure flatness...!

I just need to put my foot on the skate footbed (without insoles) and i can tell right away. the presence of an insole skews things because of the padding, but 30 seconds later when standing i'll feel the unflatness of a skate right thru the insole.

Trust you Bauers arent flat? You do mean for you correct?

The 8090 supreme has to be one of the flattest skates out there period.

Anyway I think the 800 is the way to go.....

[tyco 0]

I can't comment on bauer 8090 as i have never tried them.

Altho if you're implying that the supreme 70's are the predecessors to the 8090 and are similar in shape, then yes i'm saying they're not quite flat.

Forget the subjectiveness of "feet feel" for a moment, if you were to remove the insole of supreme and look at the bed, you can clearly see ridge transistion from heel going down to the toe. Do the same for an synergy skate and it's not as pronounced.

I have all but conceded that i have an abberant foot that is extremely flat. for a normal foot with a certain amount of arch and curvature, the 8090 may feel flat as they come. but i wouldn't say they are the flattest period, i would say the the easton synergy's (for now) take that title.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

I can't comment on bauer 8090 as i have never tried them.

Altho if you're implying that the supreme 70's are the predecessors to the 8090 and are similar in shape, then yes i'm saying they're not quite flat.

Forget the subjectiveness of "feet feel" for a moment, if you were to remove the insole of supreme and look at the bed, you can clearly see ridge transistion from heel going down to the toe. Do the same for an synergy skate and it's not as pronounced.

I have all but conceded that i have an abberant foot that is extremely flat. for a normal foot with a certain amount of arch and curvature, the 8090 may feel flat as they come. but i wouldn't say they are the flattest period, i would say the the easton synergy's (for now) take that title.

I take it then you do not work in a shop.

[hockechamp14 0]

I can't comment on bauer 8090 as i have never tried them.

Altho if you're implying that the supreme 70's are the predecessors to the 8090 and are similar in shape, then yes i'm saying they're not quite flat.

Forget the subjectiveness of "feet feel" for a moment, if you were to remove the insole of supreme and look at the bed, you can clearly see ridge transistion from heel going down to the toe.  Do the same for an synergy skate and it's not as pronounced.

I have all but conceded that i have an abberant foot that is extremely flat.  for a normal foot with a certain amount of arch and curvature, the 8090 may feel flat as they come.  but i wouldn't say they are the flattest period, i would say the the easton synergy's (for now) take that title.

I take it then you do not work in a shop.

geez.... so my feet must be really bad if I had problems in my 8090's before. I took the suggestion of superfeet and I really like them now though!

[tyco 0]

I take it then you do not work in a shop.

nope.

not sure what you're implying by that comment, but you obviously seem to have issues with me saying the 8090/supreme 70 isn't the flattest skate.

let's just drop it then.

[Overtime 0]

What type of "pain" are we talking about here. Is it like extreme soreness? Because that is the problem iam currently dealing with. And would super feet help?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

I take it then you do not work in a shop.

nope.

not sure what you're implying by that comment, but you obviously seem to have issues with me saying the 8090/supreme 70 isn't the flattest skate.

let's just drop it then.

Nope I have no issues with your opinion only that you are stating it as fact. The fact it that the supreme line is one of the flattest skates around and the Easton as you so correctly pointed out is now flatter. Until the Easton though the Supreme line was the flattest arch in the industry. Although as you also correctly pointed out in the new Supreme line there is a slight increase in the side of the boot not the footbed persay but the boot does seem to go up slightly in the arch area.

I only made a comment about you not working in a shop because if you did I would hope this information would have been passed on. If you dont then you may have been misinformed about what skate has what arch. As a well informed customer as you seem to be having been the wrong information. As far as the rest of your comments you seem like a smart guy and very determined to get the correct fit.

I would hire you if you were in need of a job.

[Guy Incognito 0]

A friend said heel lifts work well. I've got the same problems, and I'm going to give it a shot.