tuuk holders

[pmr149 0]

Why do people do this with most boots?

even if they are not bauer***

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Why do people do this with most boots?

even if they are not bauer***

Mostly because the majority of players at one point had played on bauers and gotten used to the Tuuk. Then when playing in JR the trainers would mainly carry the Tuuk's to keep costs down but now because of the dollars companies are spending they want the trainers to carry there brands of holders as well. It does take up a fair bit of room in a trainers room as well as cost for keeping inventory.

[trevor13478 1]

its always hard to switch holders. I had eastons and when i switched to a ccm it was like learning how to skate all over again, it took a while to get used to them. Pros probably just dont want to have to get used to another type so they stick with the tuuks.

[mew1838 0]

its always hard to switch holders. I had eastons and when i switched to a ccm it was like learning how to skate all over again, it took a while to get used to them. Pros probably just dont want to have to get used to another type so they stick with the tuuks.

Thats because you have no idea at all about profiling.

If you watch closely, some pros like ovechkin and thornton can be seen with both tuuks and ccm epros on their vectors. It doesn't make any difference.

[Jbone 0]

It could also be that the Tuuks are considered one of the best holders on the market.

[pmr149 0]

its always hard to switch holders. I had eastons and when i switched to a ccm it was like learning how to skate all over again, it took a while to get used to them. Pros probably just dont want to have to get used to another type so they stick with the tuuks.

Thats because you have no idea at all about profiling.

If you watch closely, some pros like ovechkin and thornton can be seen with both tuuks and ccm epros on their vectors. It doesn't make any difference.

can u explain to me profiling?

[chilaxin12 2]

I think its more of a durablility thing, I've seen more problems with CCM, GRAF, and Easton holders than with the TUUKS

[mew1838 0]

I think its more of a durablility thing, I've seen more problems with CCM, GRAF, and Easton holders than with the TUUKS

You've seen problems with ccm holders more than tuuks? I wonder which company had the record number of steel breaking for a line of skates.

[DamnLocust 0]

can u explain to me profiling?

Basically it's adjusting the curve of a skate's blade to optimize it for your skating style. there are lots of topics on it.

[Hockeydog 8]

My experiance is that you are right Rubo. I had Graf 704's with Tuuk Plus holders. Too much forward pitch for me. I had blades profiled a couple of times, made the pitch better but not quite right for me. I bought a pair of RBK 5K skates and with only a 9/16 hollow put on the blades I skated better from the first stride with the new skates. I really think if you want a neutral pitch, forward pitch or whatever, your best bet is to START with a skate that already is built that way. I started a thread here about this a few weeks ago.

[Fredrik 0]

Skate sharpening video.

its always hard to switch holders. I had eastons and when i switched to a ccm it was like learning how to skate all over again, it took a while to get used to them. Pros probably just dont want to have to get used to another type so they stick with the tuuks.

Thats because you have no idea at all about profiling.

If you watch closely, some pros like ovechkin and thornton can be seen with both tuuks and ccm epros on their vectors. It doesn't make any difference.

can u explain to me profiling?

[chilaxin12 2]

I think its more of a durablility thing, I've seen more problems with CCM, GRAF, and Easton holders than with the TUUKS

You've seen problems with ccm holders more than tuuks? I wonder which company had the record number of steel breaking for a line of skates.

I know that Tuuk had a problem with steel, but he was asking more about the holder, we understand that steel breaks it just happens, granted there was a large problem with the original lightspeed steel, but I've still seen more CCM and other companies Holders break compared to Tuuks.

[sabre09923 0]

They probably just started playing with them in Jr's or earlier and liked the feel of the steel/pitch. It doesn't really matter to me if they use tuuks, it's just what they like.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

There isn’t a machine on the market which can profile precisely so that your blade can match any other holder on the market, because each holder has a certain height (front vs. back ratio) which determines your overall balance on the ice. You would have to change too much on the skate design to match Custom+, it would be much easier just to swap holders.

The people who started out on Custom+ or switched later on and got used to it still use it because there is nothing else like it on the market.

1) Custom+ is much softer feeling on the ice then LS2, Mission, CCM or Cobra 3000.

2) Front vs. back height of the holder gives you certain balance, which profiling will not fix; it could get closer to it by maybe 70%.

3) The thickness of the steel in Custom+ is slightly thicker then on other holders, so you get more stability on the ice, but speed is probably compromised by 5%. And I think the steel itself might be different then other manufactures use.

Your best bet is to ignore all of our answers and try it out for your self, but make sure you put on the longest possible holder that you can fit. If you don’t want to waste $100 on new ones, what you do is find a cheap pair of old skates on Ebay which have custom+ holders, make sure the steel is brand new and not profiled, you’ll save probably $50 and get a free pair of skates too.

Cheers

Just wondering were you got all your facts?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

I was only asking because a lt of your information is incorrect.

Such as not being able to mimic the custom plus with other holders.

Not true. well not for someone that knows what there doing yes.

the thickness is not thicker than

Graf Cobra

Mission Pitch

LSII

LSII Power

Well I didnt copy the whole thing but those are a couple main points.

[Speed Demon 0]

I was only asking because a lt of your information is incorrect.

Such as not being able to mimic the custom plus with other holders.

Not true. well not for someone that knows what there doing yes.

the thickness is not thicker than

Graf Cobra

Mission Pitch

LSII

LSII Power

Well I didnt copy the whole thing but those are a couple main points.

good to know sir. Didn't want to see that 5% speed decrease thing.

[DP_57 1]

I guess it's because if your are use to the Custom + since you are young, that's what you want as a holder.

Back in Hockey Speed Demon, how is the bodybuilding training going.

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

I was only asking because a lt of your information is incorrect.

Such as not being able to mimic the custom plus with other holders.

Not true. well not for someone that knows what there doing yes.

the thickness is not thicker than

Graf Cobra

Mission Pitch

LSII

LSII Power

Well I didnt copy the whole thing but those are a couple main points.

Well it depends what you mean by mimic, even if shave off 4mm of LS2 to get the same height of the C+ (that's if you have enough blade) the plastic material they use in both holders is different. LS is stiffer then C+, so even if the profile is the same it’s different feeling on the ice, that's why I said there is nothing out there on the market which gives you the feel and balance all together. Secondly it's very hard to find a person who can accurately change your profile; it's still done by hand with a template, so you can only get as accurate as your hands will allow you. If you read my post I said there isn’t a machine that can do this precisely including CagOne which has its flaws.

Now as far as thickness, I did measure the blade on LS2 vs. C+ and there was a difference by about 0.1mm or so, I don’t remember the exact figure, but there was definite difference. I will admit I did not use a digital caliper, but a manual one.

Cobra holders use different steel which doesn’t hold an edge as much as C+ or LS2, plus the shape design and the plastic material they use makes it very stiff on the ice.

Now Mission holders I have very little experience with those, because I only had them on my Kor skates and the balance on the Kors is screwed up, so it was hard to tell if it was the holder or the skate itself.

I think in the end even if we can alter all the specs physics allows us , we can’t measure or alter feel on the ice, C+ just gives me a nice soft feel on the ice no other holder replicates it for me, so how can we measure that and then compare it to other people’s preference. As far as my percentages go, it was a wild guess, I don’t have physics degree to prove how much speed you would loose based on thickness of the blade, but I think we all agree that the thicker the blade the less speed you'll have on the ice, by how much that’s a whole another topic. Same goes for profiling by hand, since after it’s done you can't really see or measure precisely even with the radius ruler, only once you’re on the ice you can feel how much profiling was done, but not precision.

In theory a blade can have an infinite number of radiuses on it at the same time. I believe Cag One’s algorithm measures those radiuses by 5mm each, that’s why you can only program this machine by 5 digits.

oldtrainerguy28 I’m only offering my opinion based on my observations, I do have some unanswered questions, maybe you know the answers or some one else on this board. For example:

Is there a a formula or something else of a measuring medium in physics which will enable us to measure precise balance and pressure point on a hockey skate once it contacts the ice? If there is such a thing, then maybe we can solve this argument simply thru math.

Cheers.

Altough I disagree on a couple points I am sure not going to make this go on...LOL But know because as you have explained there is never a boot blade that is exact (hence Messier and his 35 pairs of skates a year) you can never truly have a set mathmatical way of setting up skates unless you get them seperate from the facotry and spend a couple hours mounting them using the measurments you mention and then profiling each blade the same banking on the fact that steel is the same thickness up and down the blade on both skates.

[mew1838 0]

Argh cmon if you still can't get used to a new pair of holders after profiling and a good heel lifts, you just can't skate!!!! Its a fact!! Will wearing a pair of nike running shoes affect your running coming from a New Balance?

[Hockeydog 8]

Will wearing a pair of nike running shoes affect your running coming from a New Balance?

Not quite an accurate analogy.

[Sven 1]

Yeah, yeah... This Tuuk Custom+ holder causes me sleepless nights! I just dont know if it would be a (positive) upgrade for me from the Ls2 on the 8090 and if it would be worth the "work". Everytime i see a pro return skate on ebay or on the ice when im on the stands i ask myself the same question. :(

[monoclub 5]

Thanks alot to you guys for sharing your experiences. I am wondfering about the effect height, weight, position played factors into the suitability of holders, is the Lightspeed/Custom+ holder going to be more suited certain players outside of personal preference? Why hasn't anyone mentioned the different boots, especially boots with varying degrees of forward flex?

Thanks

Geoff

p.s. I think I may have found out why I am so damn slow and cant turn as sharp as I'd like - wrong blade holder!!!

[ATLstealth09 0]

A good profiler can do anything with that steel. The pitch is not different enough to the point that it cannot be cross cut or profiled to match another holder. Especially not in the pro level.

I'd imagine the reason for using the Tuuk is because, as others have stated, they are accustomed to it. The pros don't have our hassle of having to separate their boots and then remount; they get the boot, and choose their holder.

Oh, yeah, balance is thrown off with profiling. Not.

The amount of weight in material distribution of the holder and the mounting spots determine the "Balance." Not profiling. Just because you changed the shape of the blade does not mean that the whole "balance" and weight distribution of the skate will be thrown off. If you meant a word other than balance, I suggest you re-word in the future.

And by the way, change your tone. I'd hate to break it to you, but I don't think anyone likes arguing with someone who insists that his faulty ideas are true. It's just really aggravating. No fun, no learning experience. Just an inconvenient truth for you, and a waste of time for the others.

And good work with the analogy. Comparing two brands of shoes to two brands of holders? Genius. Who would have thought that they have absolutely no correlation or meaningfulness to the argument at all?

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Now that much I pretty much agree on everything there..sorry no respose yet to further discussion...LOL

[Hockeydog 8]

I have to agree with Rubo on the point that it is easier to buy skates that naturally have the pitch you want. I skated in Graf/ Cobra and it was way to forward. Graf/ Tuuk+ was somewhat forward, but I could never get it cloes enough to what I felt good in. I bought RBK 5k and it was perfect for me right out of the box, no profiling needed, just an edge. Now the skate also fits me very well except that I think I need more arch support as I have high arches and the 5K boot is pretty flat. But I'll gladly work on finding insoles that will support my high arch because everything else works so well, right out of the box.

I don't think saying a good skater can adapt to any pitch is fair. Sure they could learn to get by, but why when you can tailor your gear to you. Why do pro golfers have their club length custom fitted? They could play great with my off the shelf set. My LHS guy was telling me when I bought my RBK's that the trend is going toward the skate Mfg's making skates more neutral.