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Figured I'd post up some pictures of my skate issue.

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According to most skating documentation I have (mainly Laura Stamm's Power Skating & Stan Mikita's Inside Hockey ) fully tightening the top 2-3 sets of eyelets is the incorrect way to lace skates. At this point I only think that method of lacing is for players with normally proportioned feet/ankles. Thats just the conclusion I have come to through experience at least.

Yeah, that only applies to people with perfect feet construction, look at a guy like Afinogenov, dude skates great but his top eyelet is tight and he tapes em...

It's all style and preference, you also have to take leg and hips into conciteration

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Yea the tongue on my left skate for whatever reason won't align straight. It shifts to the left.

so your left tongue swings to the left, and right sways towards the right (ie: tongues both point outwards?)? Then as much as you may not want to admit it, DJInferno is right, you pronate. Mine do that all the time, and the upper ankle area of my skates torque outwards a little bit (they did it a LOT before I got custom orthotics). My right is significantly worse than my left... look into DJInferno's thread he linked you to.

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I have them same problem kind of,I have a really awkward foot. My ankles are very skinny and my heel is really narrow with a flat, collapsing arch... The only skates my feet ever fit in with my arch and everything has been Bauers, but with depth of the skate on the sides and fore foot when i lace the bottoms I barely have to tighten them, but i have to really crank on the top to get them even remotely tight( when tightened as tight as i can get before it makes my forefoot feel like its gonna explode, i can still fit my thumbs down the sides at the top). It doesn't affect my skating at all because i've got pretty strong ankles and i've gotten used to it, but because of having to tie the top so tight and it pulls around at the tops like yours, it causes my skates to have a weird bending in them and I'm going through skates at like 2 pair a year pace...... I went through 3 pair of Bauer 7000's in 2 years.... I have really strong legs and a powerful stride but not enough to destroy skates that fast.... I was wondering if you had any problem with premature break down because of it

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I have them same problem kind of,I have a really awkward foot. My ankles are very skinny and my heel is really narrow with a flat, collapsing arch... The only skates my feet ever fit in with my arch and everything has been Bauers, but with depth of the skate on the sides and fore foot when i lace the bottoms I barely have to tighten them, but i have to really crank on the top to get them even remotely tight( when tightened as tight as i can get before it makes my forefoot feel like its gonna explode, i can still fit my thumbs down the sides at the top). It doesn't affect my skating at all because i've got pretty strong ankles and i've gotten used to it, but because of having to tie the top so tight and it pulls around at the tops like yours, it causes my skates to have a weird bending in them and I'm going through skates at like 2 pair a year pace...... I went through 3 pair of Bauer 7000's in 2 years.... I have really strong legs and a powerful stride but not enough to destroy skates that fast.... I was wondering if you had any problem with premature break down because of it

With or circonference will not affect how your skate bends that much, the way your skates bend has everything to do with your biomecanics... If you pronate while skating, it's most likely that your foot will bend the skates funny, your tongue will also move outwards...

using the philosopy from the guy at skates.com, the foot that pronates more is likely functionally longer as result of the pronation, trust me, I'm battleling this right now, my suggestion going on feel is to try a shallow fitting boot if you pronate so the sides are supported because deep fitting skates that wrap around your foot allow for rolling inwards after minimal breakdown unless you wear them extremely tight and want to deal with the foot pain afterwards... Also, look for skates that have the blade ligned more towards the inside of the foot to allow supination, both front and back of the foot because this will allow you to push side to side on inside edge and get on your outside edge to turn... Easton skates seem to be built this way...

I'm not sure yet but to try this out, I might go with a CCM vectors with Pitch 3 loaded towards the inside for my next skate since I refuse to go back to Graf after the way I was treated...

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I have them same problem kind of,I have a really awkward foot. My ankles are very skinny and my heel is really narrow with a flat, collapsing arch... The only skates my feet ever fit in with my arch and everything has been Bauers, but with depth of the skate on the sides and fore foot when i lace the bottoms I barely have to tighten them, but i have to really crank on the top to get them even remotely tight( when tightened as tight as i can get before it makes my forefoot feel like its gonna explode, i can still fit my thumbs down the sides at the top). It doesn't affect my skating at all because i've got pretty strong ankles and i've gotten used to it, but because of having to tie the top so tight and it pulls around at the tops like yours, it causes my skates to have a weird bending in them and I'm going through skates at like 2 pair a year pace...... I went through 3 pair of Bauer 7000's in 2 years.... I have really strong legs and a powerful stride but not enough to destroy skates that fast.... I was wondering if you had any problem with premature break down because of it

With or circonference will not affect how your skate bends that much, the way your skates bend has everything to do with your biomecanics... If you pronate while skating, it's most likely that your foot will bend the skates funny, your tongue will also move outwards...

using the philosopy from the guy at skates.com, the foot that pronates more is likely functionally longer as result of the pronation, trust me, I'm battleling this right now, my suggestion going on feel is to try a shallow fitting boot if you pronate so the sides are supported because deep fitting skates that wrap around your foot allow for rolling inwards after minimal breakdown unless you wear them extremely tight and want to deal with the foot pain afterwards... Also, look for skates that have the blade ligned more towards the inside of the foot to allow supination, both front and back of the foot because this will allow you to push side to side on inside edge and get on your outside edge to turn... Easton skates seem to be built this way...

I'm not sure yet but to try this out, I might go with a CCM vectors with Pitch 3 loaded towards the inside for my next skate since I refuse to go back to Graf after the way I was treated...

That's the thing though my feet pronate when i walk but i don't have a problem when i skate,i still use the superfeet because it's the closet thing to my orthotics just to make sure i don't start, I'm also not really familiar with shallow fitting skates, but if the whole boot is shallower (forefoot and all) I'd never be able to fit my foot in it.... as for it breaking down its like the tops pulled in so tight that it pushes the eyelets right above my ankle to push out if you can picture what i'm saying

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I have them same problem kind of,I have a really awkward foot. My ankles are very skinny and my heel is really narrow with a flat, collapsing arch... The only skates my feet ever fit in with my arch and everything has been Bauers, but with depth of the skate on the sides and fore foot when i lace the bottoms I barely have to tighten them, but i have to really crank on the top to get them even remotely tight( when tightened as tight as i can get before it makes my forefoot feel like its gonna explode, i can still fit my thumbs down the sides at the top). It doesn't affect my skating at all because i've got pretty strong ankles and i've gotten used to it, but because of having to tie the top so tight and it pulls around at the tops like yours, it causes my skates to have a weird bending in them and I'm going through skates at like 2 pair a year pace...... I went through 3 pair of Bauer 7000's in 2 years.... I have really strong legs and a powerful stride but not enough to destroy skates that fast.... I was wondering if you had any problem with premature break down because of it

With or circonference will not affect how your skate bends that much, the way your skates bend has everything to do with your biomecanics... If you pronate while skating, it's most likely that your foot will bend the skates funny, your tongue will also move outwards...

using the philosopy from the guy at skates.com, the foot that pronates more is likely functionally longer as result of the pronation, trust me, I'm battleling this right now, my suggestion going on feel is to try a shallow fitting boot if you pronate so the sides are supported because deep fitting skates that wrap around your foot allow for rolling inwards after minimal breakdown unless you wear them extremely tight and want to deal with the foot pain afterwards... Also, look for skates that have the blade ligned more towards the inside of the foot to allow supination, both front and back of the foot because this will allow you to push side to side on inside edge and get on your outside edge to turn... Easton skates seem to be built this way...

I'm not sure yet but to try this out, I might go with a CCM vectors with Pitch 3 loaded towards the inside for my next skate since I refuse to go back to Graf after the way I was treated...

That's the thing though my feet pronate when i walk but i don't have a problem when i skate,i still use the superfeet because it's the closet thing to my orthotics just to make sure i don't start, I'm also not really familiar with shallow fitting skates, but if the whole boot is shallower (forefoot and all) I'd never be able to fit my foot in it.... as for it breaking down its like the tops pulled in so tight that it pushes the eyelets right above my ankle to push out if you can picture what i'm saying

i'm not sure what you are talking about on the last part but if you don't have a problem with skate pronation, it's most likely becase your ankle is well supported or your blade is centered...

I'm using a soft boot right now (Mission Pure Fly) because I liked ankle movement coming from Graf 703's for 7 years and S500 missions for 1, I need a skate that holds my heel perfectly tight like the 703's, I'm holding off on a skate purchase to see what the Easton Steath line will look like...

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To clarify, My right foot is fine.. the tongue stays straight no problems at all. Left skate the tongue sits to the left. Honestly I looked at my old Nike quest boots, which I also used superfeet grey insoles (using superfeet greys now in the One90 as well) and the tongue sits in the center. It's very possible that I do pronate in my left foot, but I haven't had an issue with it before really.

My quests felt like boards, rock solid. I did not have this issue.. I'm an adult skate that falls into Junior 5.5D in a One90.. My quests were a 6D Senior. My One90's are starting to take a weird shape and I'm willing to bet that the skate will be breakdown prematurely because of the stress I'm putting on the boot by stretching it so hard.

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To clarify, My right foot is fine.. the tongue stays straight no problems at all. Left skate the tongue sits to the left. Honestly I looked at my old Nike quest boots, which I also used superfeet grey insoles (using superfeet greys now in the One90 as well) and the tongue sits in the center. It's very possible that I do pronate in my left foot, but I haven't had an issue with it before really.

My quests felt like boards, rock solid. I did not have this issue.. I'm an adult skate that falls into Junior 5.5D in a One90.. My quests were a 6D Senior. My One90's are starting to take a weird shape and I'm willing to bet that the skate will be breakdown prematurely because of the stress I'm putting on the boot by stretching it so hard.

Once skates stard warping, it's a done deal unfortunatelly...

Check your blade alignment on your boot, I come across so many pairs of skates where the blades are not aligned proprely... either towards the outside or the inside, I saw a pair of one90 at my LHS that where a F-ed up like that, for 700$, thats rape, I don't understand how hockey companies can get this wrong, in that respect, Easton seems to be the most precice brand when it comes to this...

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To clarify, My right foot is fine.. the tongue stays straight no problems at all. Left skate the tongue sits to the left. Honestly I looked at my old Nike quest boots, which I also used superfeet grey insoles (using superfeet greys now in the One90 as well) and the tongue sits in the center. It's very possible that I do pronate in my left foot, but I haven't had an issue with it before really.

My quests felt like boards, rock solid. I did not have this issue.. I'm an adult skate that falls into Junior 5.5D in a One90.. My quests were a 6D Senior. My One90's are starting to take a weird shape and I'm willing to bet that the skate will be breakdown prematurely because of the stress I'm putting on the boot by stretching it so hard.

I would seriously recommend going to a doctor to determine whether you pronate or not. I pronate, my right foot more seriously than the left. My right skate bulges towards the inside, similar to your picture, and my tongue slides to the right. I have since gotten custom orthotics, I can control my outside edge better because I can now apply weight with my foot more evenly where before most of my weight was applied with the inside/arch of my foot due to the pronation and arch collapse.

I have no problems with my left because the pronation is slight and the boot did not become warped.

I have broken down my skate prematurely (inside bulge) and no matter how tightly I lace them, I just can't get the support that I need. My right skate is done and I've only used them for about 6 months.

Like others have said, it is a very frustrating problem.

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To clarify, My right foot is fine.. the tongue stays straight no problems at all. Left skate the tongue sits to the left. Honestly I looked at my old Nike quest boots, which I also used superfeet grey insoles (using superfeet greys now in the One90 as well) and the tongue sits in the center. It's very possible that I do pronate in my left foot, but I haven't had an issue with it before really.

My quests felt like boards, rock solid. I did not have this issue.. I'm an adult skate that falls into Junior 5.5D in a One90.. My quests were a 6D Senior. My One90's are starting to take a weird shape and I'm willing to bet that the skate will be breakdown prematurely because of the stress I'm putting on the boot by stretching it so hard.

I would seriously recommend going to a doctor to determine whether you pronate or not. I pronate, my right foot more seriously than the left. My right skate bulges towards the inside, similar to your picture, and my tongue slides to the right. I have since gotten custom orthotics, I can control my outside edge better because I can now apply weight with my foot more evenly where before most of my weight was applied with the inside/arch of my foot due to the pronation and arch collapse.

I have no problems with my left because the pronation is slight and the boot did not become warped.

I have broken down my skate prematurely (inside bulge) and no matter how tightly I lace them, I just can't get the support that I need. My right skate is done and I've only used them for about 6 months.

Like others have said, it is a very frustrating problem.

that warped boot business is a motha...i thing i warped my first pair...

have you been warping skates since the orthotics?

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This is a real problem with beginners believe it or not. Moms cant lace tight or kids say their feet hurt so moms lace looser. I have found that the Nike line of skates (before Quest now Flexlite) work well for two reasons, they have a higher cut but more importantly they taper off nice and uniformly between the ankle padding and the lace eyelets. Try em!

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I had a ton of issues with fit as well last summer. I used to wear custom Nike Ignite 1s, and I could not find a skate that worked for me until about February of this year. I have very narrow feet, with a large ankle bone. One90s were great responsive skates, but could only skate once or twice a week, after that the pain was unbearable. Same for the XXXs. Tried Grafs....hated them. Tried 9Ks...those were boats on my feet..even in a C width. Tried 1500C....not stiff enough.

I finally was able to fit in a custom pair of Bauer 7000s in a 9.5B/A and custom CCM Vector 10 SE in an 8.5D/A with a 4 stiffness and more ankle padding. These are the only two that worked for me. It was a very frustrating and expensive situation, but I am finally happy again.

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I skated in the Quest 1 which was great for me, I haven't found another pair since.. I got nearly 5 years out of that skate before the skate had enough, I liked the flexlite.. My complaint though was that the forefoot was too wide for me.

The new S series seems to have narrower ankles/higher cut. Got a chance to see them first hand yesterday.....

I'm probably going to the custom route, I got a chance to look hard at the vector.. it looks like it would work great with some modifications. I'm going to try on a pair on and go from there.

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I use the lace lock method which JR and Oldtrainerguy mentioned in another thread.

Sorry kinda off topic but can you please tell me what thread this was in.Thanks

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If the Quest worked for you, see if you can get the flexlites in a C width by special order. One of the main issues I have seen is when the ankle padding doesn't give enough to enable the foot to be "seated" into the boot properly, it creates a gap between the top of the boot and your leg. The Pro Tacks had this problem for some skaters.

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monoclub, that's my issue. I'll have to check with my LHS to see what we can do. I'm going in monday to see about customs.

Do you think it would be possible for bauer to build a Vapor XXXX with a Flexlite 12 last in a C Width? If I'm going to dish money for customs might as well do something neat.

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customs are made with a custom last for your feet, so no need to do it in a flexlite 12 last.

That said, the flexlite line is being continued this year, so if they work for you, that's an option. They're known to be rather wide and deep, however.

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On a side note, Tried on the S15's today... No good, the forefoot is way to wide for me probably the widest D width skate I've tried on yet.

Hey, that's great news for people like me whose foot falls in between D and E. The bad news is that it's going to be a long time before I can scrape up the cash for new skates.

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that warped boot business is a motha...i thing i warped my first pair...

have you been warping skates since the orthotics?

I was hoping the boots would warp back into place after the orthotics, but no dice. Haven't gotten new skates yet.

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I skated in the Quest 1 which was great for me, I haven't found another pair since.. I got nearly 5 years out of that skate before the skate had enough, I liked the flexlite.. My complaint though was that the forefoot was too wide for me.

The new S series seems to have narrower ankles/higher cut. Got a chance to see them first hand yesterday.....

I'm probably going to the custom route, I got a chance to look hard at the vector.. it looks like it would work great with some modifications. I'm going to try on a pair on and go from there.

Quest 1 was a great skate, best performing skate..., I had em right after Vapor 8's and before 703's...

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