Need Advice for Ice/Inline conversion

[thefelixculpa 0]

I'm looking to purchase some ice skates and putting a roller chassis on them. I've only ever been a roller player so I don't really know anything about ice boots or what I should get.

I currently am using the Nike Bauer Accel Lites from last year. I also have a pair of Mission Lietenants that I wasted my money on b/c they just won't stop hurting my feet. I really like the Accel Lites, but am not a fan of the OneUP chassis.

Are Nike Bauer's ice boots the same as their roller? I am looking to buy a boot that is of higher quality than the Accel Lites...something that would be near the level of the higher end roller boots (Tour's don't come in my size, Mission I am not happy with) . Looking at Nike Bauer skates...the vapor xxx, xxxx, one90 look too expensive.

How is the quality of something like the Vapor XXV? Would I be able to put the Vanguard chassis on them without having to take any material off the boot?

[cxo 0]

You're saying you have no roller boots in playing condition? Because really, there is no advantage to customizing ice boots unless you already know that an ice boot fits your foot well. If you have a roller boot that is comfortable and works, then I'd stick with it.

[thefelixculpa 0]

You're saying you have no roller boots in playing condition? Because really, there is no advantage to customizing ice boots unless you already know that an ice boot fits your foot well. If you have a roller boot that is comfortable and works, then I'd stick with it.

I've been using the NBH Accel Lites for the past year and a half....they are not stiff at all anymore...forward flex is way too much now. I can feel the whole boot flexing forward way too much. I love them but they are running out of life.

The Lietenants hurt so much I can barely stand after 10 min. I do not know why this is, my foot fits fine in them, toes feather the endcap, not too wide not too narrow. I've even tried superfeet insoles. Can't figure it out but they just won't work.

So really, I soon will not have a roller boot in playing condition

maybe it would make more sense to just sell the lieutenants and use that money to purchase a magnessium vanguard and the newer NBH inline boot...would a 80-80-76-76 chassis still fit on the NBH boot or would I have to get material removed?

[gxc999 7]

You're saying you have no roller boots in playing condition? Because really, there is no advantage to customizing ice boots unless you already know that an ice boot fits your foot well. If you have a roller boot that is comfortable and works, then I'd stick with it.

I've been using the NBH Accel Lites for the past year and a half....they are not stiff at all anymore...forward flex is way too much now. I can feel the whole boot flexing forward way too much. I love them but they are running out of life.

The Lietenants hurt so much I can barely stand after 10 min. I do not know why this is, my foot fits fine in them, toes feather the endcap, not too wide not too narrow. I've even tried superfeet insoles. Can't figure it out but they just won't work.

You should definitely be able to figure out your issue, the Lieutenants are very, very comfortable skates from everything I know... It really sounds like you need to break them in around the house and suffer through the pain for a few hours every day for a week then bake them. You might also benefit from soaking your foot in hot water for a half hour before putting on the skates...

[thefelixculpa 0]

i've already baked them, I have worn them enough that they have molded to my foot. I bought them in December. Trust me, I have tried to make them work. I am not one to spend 400 dollars on something and give up on it, but I don't know what else to do.

[Rick 0]

Man that stinks......Hopefully you can come to some kind of solution with the Missions or sell them and get something else. I had the same problem several years ago when I bought a top end pair of Bauer's with a custom chassis setup. I tried all summer that year to wear those skates and they just killed my feet. My brother and a buddy loved Bauer but they just didn't work out for me. I have gone exclusively to ice boots converted to inline but I was lucky because my first pair of converted skates were a pair of well tested and comfortable ice skates I converted to inline. If you find a good ice or roller boot that fits you well at a discount price or on closeout you could always remove the blade or chassis and have a chassis of choice mounted. I highly recommend the Sprung frames and you can mount them yourself. Check out the sprung thread.

Good Luck

Rick Henry

[thefelixculpa 0]

how much should I ask for the Lieutenants if I were to sell them? I don't really know how well skates hold their value. I had them baked once and skated in them for about three 2 hour hockey practices...so they are molded to my foot but they don't have any other signs of wear or even stink yet.

BTW the pain I experience with them is not ankle pain or anything related to them breaking in. It is whole foot pain that makes standing difficult and my feet cramp up like hell when I take them off.

[crispy92 14]

Correct me if im wrong but the one up chassis is a 76-76-80-76 setup. If so it says on inline warehouse that if you want the one up will accept an 80mm wheel in the back, in turn making it the same setup as the vanguard. I think:unsure:. And if it is the boot that is the problem i would say buy a new NBH roller skate and a 80mm wheel and just replace the back one. No point in going through hundreds of dollars on an ice skate then another hundred on a chassis.

[thefelixculpa 0]

Correct me if im wrong but the one up chassis is a 76-76-80-76 setup. If so it says on inline warehouse that if you want the one up will accept an 80mm wheel in the back, in turn making it the same setup as the vanguard. I think:unsure:. And if it is the boot that is the problem i would say buy a new NBH roller skate and a 80mm wheel and just replace the back one. No point in going through hundreds of dollars on an ice skate then another hundred on a chassis.

oneUP is 72-72-80-76. I already use the 72-72-80-80....even with my massive amounts of pain I can tell a distinct difference in speed/grip when I use the vanguard's 76 76 80 80

I'm leaning toward trying something like a Vapor XXV ice boot and mounting the vanguard on it.

[DCott 0]

Correct me if im wrong but the one up chassis is a 76-76-80-76 setup. If so it says on inline warehouse that if you want the one up will accept an 80mm wheel in the back, in turn making it the same setup as the vanguard. I think:unsure:. And if it is the boot that is the problem i would say buy a new NBH roller skate and a 80mm wheel and just replace the back one. No point in going through hundreds of dollars on an ice skate then another hundred on a chassis.

oneUP is 72-72-80-76. I already use the 72-72-80-80....even with my massive amounts of pain I can tell a distinct difference in speed/grip when I use the vanguard's 76 76 80 80

I'm leaning toward trying something like a Vapor XXV ice boot and mounting the vanguard on it.

still wrong, its 72-72-80-78, but the 78 is a little off the ground, leaving room for an 80. it is essentially a hi-lo but comes with different wheels

[djsnowman777 0]

go with the bauer xxr lites i would say best skate bauer has come out with in years ....the one up is a simple hilo convert just put an 80mm wheel in the back ....i hate the one up too. its useless

[thefelixculpa 0]

I guess I don't need to worry about converting skates anymore. I had a bitter sweet revelation today...after all this time stressing over not being able to find skates that work, I decided to try on a pair of Tours at my LHS that are 2sizes below my shoe size...lo and behold they fit like a glove! Looks like I will be buying the cobalt 9.9s and letting my 400 dollar lieutenants sit in a closet indefinitely. If only I would have tried on the size 11 tours sooner. Back in December prior to purchasing the lieutenants, I tried on a size 12 tour that felt just a tad too big, i thought for sure there was no way I'd fit a full size down.

[fatwabbit 93]

if you're not using the skates, am sure that there are others that would want to give them a go.

I'd still try and sell them, but thats me.

[thefelixculpa 0]

I'm definitely going to continue to try to sell them...I'm just pretty impatient and am already losing faith after just 1 day

[cxo 0]

Not to be an annoyance, but it doesn't seem like a sufficient amount of skating on them jsut yet. Honestly, I had a pair of CCM Ultra Pro's and took me close to three weeks of skating them everyday to get them comfortable. Sometimes it just takes a lot more work. For $400 it may be worth giving them just a bit more time. However, if you're still going to go the conversion route, just try on as many skates as you can and see how they feel. Skating them first is the best way to go, but if you can't, the initial fit does give a good impression.

[thefelixculpa 0]

Not to be an annoyance, but it doesn't seem like a sufficient amount of skating on them jsut yet. Honestly, I had a pair of CCM Ultra Pro's and took me close to three weeks of skating them everyday to get them comfortable. Sometimes it just takes a lot more work. For $400 it may be worth giving them just a bit more time. However, if you're still going to go the conversion route, just try on as many skates as you can and see how they feel. Skating them first is the best way to go, but if you can't, the initial fit does give a good impression.

I really don't want to devalue them by skating on them more, I am pretty sure they might just bee too big for me. The fact that size 11 tour fit makes that seem more likely the case.

[Stampede#11 0]

Vapor XXII ice boots convert very well indeed. I just miss out the 2nd to top eyelet to give me a bit more forward flex as you loose the rocker of an ice blade. Still plenty of snap in the boot when you take off doing this.

I had the horrendus pain with the Lt's that no matter what I did just wouldn't go away (baked 4 times, punched twice, and over 6 hours of floor time, just ended up nearly screwing my ankle completely).

I put the Van Guard on the Vapor XXII's and it is the best set up I have had (I have tried virtually every manufacturer over the years). But as always depends on your foot shape.

I have also found Ice Boots to last longer than inline specific boots. Bauer and CCM ice Vs Inline this is based on. IMO they just seem to be a better build quality for ice compared to inline boots. Don't shoot me down for saying that anyone, and I do try buy as much Mission and Tour gear as I can to support companies that put money into inline... just MO.