Graf holder question

[Goalieboy#1 1]

My friend has a pair of Grafs and wants to put some Rbk E-Blade Pro holders and CCM Rocket Runners on them. Would this even work? His holder is sized 272, so what size RBK would it be?

[aarondevera 0]

a. yes

b. depends on the skate

[Goalieboy#1 1]

He says they're Supra 3.1's.

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

A CCM 271 holder will fit on the Graf.

[Goalieboy#1 1]

Another question, how much lighter are the RBK/Rocket runner set up than the cobra 3000's?

[aarondevera 0]

CCM has stated that the 271 runner will weight approx. 75 grams, and has also said that the RR is "up to 75g lighter than regular steel." Presumably then, the 272 NT 3000 steel should weight in the BALLPARK of 140g. But then you have to consider the theory behind making the STEEL (instead of the boot) lighter, and how weight in the steel is felt more than the weight of the boot.

If you're looking for a more direct answer though, let's put it this way: the RR makes enough of a difference that you can actually FEEL it.

[JR Boucicaut 3805]

Not to mention that the NT3000 holder is pretty beefy, the E-Pro holder is lighter.

[aarondevera 0]

yeah, that too! lol the single hardware screw alone weighs more than both e-pro bolts combined.

[WhiskeyTango19 0]

This is just my own personal opinion, so please everyone don't jump down my throat:

I would say if you are going with the E-Pro holder, I would go with the regular solid steel. I think, and again this is just MY opinion, that the rocket runner is a tad gimmicky. True, it is lighter, but I wouldn't trust it. Plus, some shops might have trouble getting the replacement steel should it break. Sometimes specialty steel (I.E. LS Power steel in the beginning) is tough to get a hold of at first. Solid steel is much easier to get.

It's only a few grams. I find it hard to believe that the difference is TRULY noticeable.

[epstud74 24]

You can order the rocket runner online these days, but almost every shop I've been into has the rocket runner on hand...Lot of kids in CCM U+ skates these days I guess..

[P5man 0]

This is just my own personal opinion, so please everyone don't jump down my throat:

I would say if you are going with the E-Pro holder, I would go with the regular solid steel. I think, and again this is just MY opinion, that the rocket runner is a tad gimmicky. True, it is lighter, but I wouldn't trust it. Plus, some shops might have trouble getting the replacement steel should it break. Sometimes specialty steel (I.E. LS Power steel in the beginning) is tough to get a hold of at first. Solid steel is much easier to get.

It's only a few grams. I find it hard to believe that the difference is TRULY noticeable.

Another thing to keep in mind: the steel heats up VERY quickly when sharpening, due to a lower amount of steel than a traditional runner. IMO, the rocket runner is as bush-league as the 9KO stick.

[aarondevera 0]

I swapped to the Rocket Runner on my Vector 10.0 SEs last night, just to give 'em a shot before calling anything a gimmick...

If you're one of those guys who doesn't sharpen often and feel comfortable on the E-Pro, the RR is DEFINITELY worth a shot based on the weight reduction alone. My feet felt much lighter out there, but when in contact with the ice, the runner does feel a little different compared to regular steel. When sharpening them, I felt they were a tad harder than standard steel. If you like to play around with your radius and hollow often, however, I don't really think it'll be for you. It's absolutely critical that your sharpener knows what he/she is doing, otherwise it's not gonna be a sound investment. As for the on-ice durability, time will tell.

I really don't think I'd go out and call it a gimmick, at least not right away. It'll be great for some, and not so great for others, just like any other bit of equipment out there.

[Keith 0]

Did you feel any flex in turns?

[aarondevera 0]

A little, but not any more than I've felt on the Proform Perfs. I'll be honest and say that I'll definitely be going back to good 'ol solid steel when all's said and done, but I do think that there's definitely a market out there for the RR, seeing as how so many people are jumping on the "I want the lightest skate out there" bandwagon.