lie and length

[zrez 0]

If i go from a 5.5 lie to a 4.5 lie, should i be cutting my new stick longer or shorter? if so, about how much? thanks.

[Chadd 916]

Assuming the current lie/length is correct, a lower lie requires a longer stick in order to be flat on the ice.

[DoubleT96 0]

Dumb question I'm going to ask, but i'll ask it any way. I've always used a lie 5 stick 90-95ish flex. However, sometimes i find curves that I think I will like, but they are only offered in a 5.5 lie.

My question is do you think taking a 85ish flex lie 5.5 stick, and cutting it shorter than what I would usually cut my lie 5 stick, would create the same flex and lie feel (disregarding the difference in feel due to the shorter stick of course)? i.e. a 90-95ish flex stick, with a 5 lie feel, but a short stick.

[Chadd 916]

You will have to change your hand position relative to your body. It will not feel the same but you can probably adapt well enough to a slightly shorter stick.

[jgiant 0]

The stick length-blade lie correlation continues to confuse me.

Hypothetical. Player A is average height (6’0), skates low to the ice and prefers a shorter stick (collarbone on skates). Theoretically, b/c of skating style, one would think, or suggest, that Player A choose a lower lie blade (5 lie or lower). Player A goes to his LHS, buys a OPS off the rack, standard 60” length, 5 lie, takes it home and realizes that he needs to cut the stick to his preferred length. So Player A started out with a stick that theoretically had the correct lie, but he cut 2-4 inches off of it, bringing the blade closer to his body and ultimately creating a lie that is now too low (blade will be mostly on the toe).

Is that correct? Should Player A have purchased a higher lie, despite his low skating stance, to adjust for his shorter stick length preference?

If that’s the case, how do NHLers like Crosby and D. Cleary, who skate low to the ice and appear to use shorter sticks per se (definitely below their chin on skates), still use such low lie (4.5) blade patterns? Granted, they’re NHLers, but one would think their respective length/lie combo would inhibit their ability to play the puck closer to their body and not have full blade contact?

Ultimately, it's personal preference and experimentation through trial and error to figure out what works, and I'm over-analyzing and over-thinking, but I was hoping to receive additional feedback/clarification from the MSH community. Please write or PM me. Thanks.

[likwidsix 0]

The stick length-blade lie correlation continues to confuse me.

So Player A started out with a stick that theoretically had the correct lie, but he cut 2-4 inches off of it, bringing the blade closer to his body and ultimately creating a lie that is now too low (blade will be mostly on the toe).

Is that correct?

The lie does not change when the stick is cut. The lie is simply the angle between the blade and the shaft. Higher lie's (eg. 6) have a smaller angle than lower lies (eg. 4.5). The position of your hands (close to body vs. far from body), amount of bend in knees and torso, and preferred stick length all determine which lie results in the blade resting flat on the ice.

In other words, there is no point choosing a lie as it is not a preference. The real preferences are stick length and hockey stance. Given these, just find the lie which makes the blade contact as much ice as possible.

Hope this helps?

[Jesse_01 0]

You could give a NHLer the wrong curve and they still would be able to put the puck where ever they want to lol.

[flyers10 57]

You could give a NHLer the wrong curve and they still would be able to put the puck where ever they want to lol.

Unless it is a member of the Leafs.

[sarmalidu 1]

likwidsix is on point - there is no magic formula. I am actually very much the "Player A" of your example. I am almost exactly 6' tall, I skate low, and I use a stick that is both short AND low lie ~4.5-5. This is because of my low skating stance and the fact that I prefer to hold my top hand around waist height. I don't find high lies comfortable because of the angle I have to hold my top hand at to keep the blade flat on the ice (this forces you to bend your wrist a lot in "resting" position).

I cut my sticks to about 58" or two inches shorter than standard senior length. With a tapered shaft this is about a 52" shaft length and 50" for a standard shaft (since standard blade hosels are normally about 2" longer than tapered). All standard / tapered blades aren't the same hosel length though, so if you go with a two piece be aware of the differences in hosel length between brands / blade models.

[Hipster 5]

What are some patterns with a 4-4.5 lie? I can't ever seem to find any. WEhere I live, it seems like there is plenty of selection at 5.5, a decent amount at 5 then......zero, zip, nada.

[cptjeff 0]

What are some patterns with a 4-4.5 lie? I can't ever seem to find any. WEhere I live, it seems like there is plenty of selection at 5.5, a decent amount at 5 then......zero, zip, nada.

They don't make them at retail. Warrior makes one, but their 4 is everyone else's 5.

If you want a 4, you would have to find a prostock. Or pay through the nose for a custom stick or blades.

If you think you need a 4, odds are that you need to be playing with a much shorter stick.

[Chadd 916]

What are some patterns with a 4-4.5 lie? I can't ever seem to find any. WEhere I live, it seems like there is plenty of selection at 5.5, a decent amount at 5 then......zero, zip, nada.

They don't make them at retail. Warrior makes one, but their 4 is everyone else's 5.

Not true at all. The Fedorov/Savard in a 4 is below a 5 lie. Their blades with more rocker on the bottom are inaccurate, the blades with flat bottoms are very close to what is marked.

[Hipster 5]

What are some patterns with a 4-4.5 lie? I can't ever seem to find any. WEhere I live, it seems like there is plenty of selection at 5.5, a decent amount at 5 then......zero, zip, nada.

They don't make them at retail. Warrior makes one, but their 4 is everyone else's 5.

Not true at all. The Fedorov/Savard in a 4 is below a 5 lie. Their blades with more rocker on the bottom are inaccurate, the blades with flat bottoms are very close to what is marked.

Excellent. Thanks, Chadd.