Profiling Help

[crash_roberts 0]

Hi All,

I've been reading the various pofiling topics and posts and feel I have a pretty good idea about the need to profile to maximise skating potential. To that end I am hopeful to provide my two boys with the best tools to progress in thier hockey development as well as trying to help prolong my own hockey enjoyment by having our skates profiled and balanced correctly.

I was impressed with the various comments and feedback throughout the discussions on the help that many provided on the boards here and felt that this was the best place to look for qualified advice. My plan is to get the boys and I into the pro-shop ASAP as we have only one or two more summer skates before a bit of a layoff until the winter season so whatever assistance anyone can provide will be very much appreciated.

Here are the details (and links to some YouTube video of our skating that might help). The two boys have only been playing for less than a year and they continue to improve quickly so I hope to find a good balance for them. My skating is "so-so" and in the video it looks a little worse for wear as I was still recoveing from a bad case of bronchitus as well as nursing a ruptured disc.

Kieran - 9 yrs, 4'8", ~75 lbs, predominately plays defence, using stock Mission Pure Fly skates(size 3) FBV 100/75

Declan - 6 yrs, 3'10", ~50 lbs, forward, using stock CCM Intruder (youth size 10), FBV 100/75

Steve - 46 yrs, 5'7", ~200lbs, forward, stock Bauer one95s size 5, (previous skate Graf705, preferred fwd pitch of Graf) FBV 90/75

One question I have concerns my older boy as his Mission Pure Fly skates are getting pretty tight and we are likely going to pickup a pair of Mission Fuel 110s from the SOS section of National Sports in Pickering to replace them. I would hope that whatever advice with respect to an appropriate profile will be useful if we change his skates. I did notice the Mission Fuel skates come with the "pitch" holders so I guess that would make a little difference.

Thanks to all in advance, any assistance would be greatly appreciated,

Steve "Crash" Roberts

[TheMagnificen7 0]

Hi All,

I've been reading the various pofiling topics and posts and feel I have a pretty good idea about the need to profile to maximise skating potential. To that end I am hopeful to provide my two boys with the best tools to progress in thier hockey development as well as trying to help prolong my own hockey enjoyment by having our skates profiled and balanced correctly.

I was impressed with the various comments and feedback throughout the discussions on the help that many provided on the boards here and felt that this was the best place to look for qualified advice. My plan is to get the boys and I into the pro-shop ASAP as we have only one or two more summer skates before a bit of a layoff until the winter season so whatever assistance anyone can provide will be very much appreciated.

Here are the details (and links to some YouTube video of our skating that might help). The two boys have only been playing for less than a year and they continue to improve quickly so I hope to find a good balance for them. My skating is "so-so" and in the video it looks a little worse for wear as I was still recoveing from a bad case of bronchitus as well as nursing a ruptured disc.

Kieran - 9 yrs, 4'8", ~75 lbs, predominately plays defence, using stock Mission Pure Fly skates(size 3) FBV 100/75

Declan - 6 yrs, 3'10", ~50 lbs, forward, using stock CCM Intruder (youth size 10), FBV 100/75

Steve - 46 yrs, 5'7", ~200lbs, forward, stock Bauer one95s size 5, (previous skate Graf705, preferred fwd pitch of Graf) FBV 90/75

One question I have concerns my older boy as his Mission Pure Fly skates are getting pretty tight and we are likely going to pickup a pair of Mission Fuel 110s from the SOS section of National Sports in Pickering to replace them. I would hope that whatever advice with respect to an appropriate profile will be useful if we change his skates. I did notice the Mission Fuel skates come with the "pitch" holders so I guess that would make a little difference.

Thanks to all in advance, any assistance would be greatly appreciated,

Steve "Crash" Roberts

I'd say that your children are too young and will continue to naturally develop a skating style that suits them over the next few years. Reevaluate profiling when they are 13 or 14, as they are now, there really isn't much of a point. For yourself, I would consider changing the radius to an 11' and pitching the runner slightly forward, about 2 degrees or so should do it. It will give you a more powerful stride and a little more natural pitch so that you can increase power output and balance.

[SolarWind 23]

I'd say that your children are too young and will continue to naturally develop a skating style that suits them over the next few years. Reevaluate profiling when they are 13 or 14, as they are now, there really isn't much of a point.

Can't agree more. Based on the videos you've posted they're still learning, and don't need to worry about profiling etc.

For yourself, I would consider changing the radius to an 11' and pitching the runner slightly forward, about 2 degrees or so should do it. It will give you a more powerful stride and a little more natural pitch so that you can increase power output and balance.

this was discussed multiple times - such extreme forward pitch definitely isn't for everyone!

Upon review of your video I'd actually suggest sticking to slightly less aggressive pitch.

Increasing the radius would put more blade on the ice & improve your stability & confidence. I'd personally go deeper hollow as well.

Technicalities aside though no disrespect, but I'd say the same comment as for your sons applies to you - stick to basics & improve your skating abilities first. The biggest issue I see is that you 'hop up' way to much - ie entering the tight turn isn't bad, good knee bend, but then you immediately stand up which throws your balance off. Same for your stride - after a few strides you stand up as well.

Plus of course the edge work - outside in particular. Try slalom both feet together to begin with.

Good luck!

[oldtrainerguy28 478]

Well I am going to step in here and politley disagree.

With the older boy I would say please get them checked and make sure the blades are even.

That skate comes with a 9ft and it seems he is having a balance issue.

While going to an 11ft may hamper him to start after a few sharpenings as the profile comes off a bit I think he will be stable and adapt no problem. I would also go at a 1/2 hollow with this young man.

With the little guy they come with an 11ft and I would maybe try some diffrent techniques for tying the top eyelit to allow more knee bend. I would have his done at 7/16ths as the blades never stay sharp anyway with those skates.

You can find that on my Facebook page Hockey Skate Performance Ehancement.

As for yourself well that skate comes with a 10ft it is pretty neutral however I think by slightly moving the balance point not pitching the skate to much you will get all you need out of the skates you have with minimal work

a 9.5 10.5 profile with a 1/64th lean I find works very well for players like yourself.

Also blending the toe is a key part allowing a better roll off the front of the skate.

Also I would go with a 90/75 or maybe 95/75 (we dont have it yet) but the 90/75 for yourself I think would be a great option. I have a top Leaf Prospect on this now and is loving it.

My 2 cents.

[crash_roberts 0]

Thanks for the input. I appreciate the reminder to let the kids develope - sometimes I'm looking for too much from them, but on the other hand I do want to make sure that thier developement is not hampered or halted by faulty tools. As noted by OTG maybe my priority should be to first ensure that the skates are balanced and even -- then work upwards from there.

All the comments are very much appreciated,

Steve