No Plastic Inserts in the fingers of the New CCM U+CL Gloves?

[zaytser 0]

Does anyone know why CCM's supposed top of the line gloves do not have any plastic inserts in the fingers? The U+12's do have the inserts throughout the entire glove, yet the U+CL only has them in the knuckles and back hand. Now if I were to spend my money on one of these pairs, I would choose the U+12 because they have a little more protection, they are $50 less, are identical to the U+CL in stiching and graphics, except for the palms, which are both comfortable to me. So in considering all of this, why would anyone pay another $50 for a glove with less protection? Perhaps I am missing something here.

[Jarick 5]

A lot of gloves recently have pretty pathetic protection for the money. I'm glad to see Bauer finally put some in the Supreme series (last year the One95 glove didn't have inserts, at $150!). I also recall seeing pretty wimpy inserts on gloves that do have them (small compared to the block) and weak protection on the side of he pointer finger, where you'd get slashed on the bottom hand.

[kenneth 5]

my warrior franchise retail doesn't have any plastic in them, or it might be sandwiched in between the foams and not on top like my ak27 pros.

[Jarick 5]

That's one of the reasons I think the Franchise are way over priced. $220 for a glove that doesn't have inserts...

I've got my eyes on a pair of Luxe gloves. They have a lot more protection and are $40 cheaper. Just need to find out if my team is sticking together before I blow money on gloves and have to change colors...

[zaytser 0]

^^^^^ While I agree with everyone hear about certain gloves being a bit pricey, my point was that the CCM U+12 gloves from what I can tell are the exact same glove as teh U+CL when it comes to looks. The only difference between the two models is the palm materials and the fact that ithe U+12 has more protection via the plastic inserts in the fingers. Yet they are $50 less per pair than the U+CL's. I actually really like both gloves, but the U+12 is by far the better glove for the money. It almost seems like CCM put the wrong stitching on the wrong gloves. It makes no sense to me why the U+CL gloves wouldn't have the inserts and the U+12 does.

Jarick, just thought I would add that the U+12 and U+CL is very similar in terms of fit to the Warrior Luxe. The Luxe has a bit more room in the fingers and is a bit tightwr around the wrist. I like both of these models of gloves, but the U+12 being $60 less than the Luxe gloves makes me like the CCM a bit more. Just my two cents

[Gefiltefish 9]

I think you will find it common to see gloves using the EPP foam technology to not have plastic inserts anymore. The point of EPP in gloves is to reduce weight and provide similar protection to single/dual desnity foams w/ plastic inserts. Bauer claims that their new Pro 4-Roll is lighter (by 15%) and more protective (10%) than the old version of the glove.

As for the Franchise glove argument.... Warrior/MIA has a lot of experience and there are a lot of players that like foams like TriLam or VA80 without plastics. The plastic inserts do not allow the glove to dry out as easily and can cause increased wear (esp. when combined with Tufftek). I also have found that the standard TriLam foams broke in easier than the ProPack foams.

Lets face it - players buying gloves on the retail level will likely never need to protection of the ProPack (VA80 with inserts). TriLam offers protection very close to ProPack with more comfort, better durability/longevity and less break in time. With that said, I still order my custom Franchises with ProPack - mainly for the lock thumb and resale factor.

[regularjoe 1]

Lets face it - players buying gloves on the retail level will likely never need to protection of the ProPack (VA80 with inserts).

I don't know if I agree with this - the one thing beer leaguers can do just as well as the pros is two-handers to the puck carrier's hands.

[Machinehead2k5 32]

I don't know if I agree with this - the one thing beer leaguers can do just as well as the pros is two-handers to the puck carrier's hands.

I'll agree with that one. Before my MIA Thrashers (which do have plastic inserts), I wore some RBK gloves without the inserts. Took a two hander to the hands and the top of my hand had a nice welt on it. The beer leaguers might not have the same shot power, but swinging a stick like a baseball bat, everyone can do.

[zaytser 0]

I think you will find it common to see gloves using the EPP foam technology to not have plastic inserts anymore. The point of EPP in gloves is to reduce weight and provide similar protection to single/dual desnity foams w/ plastic inserts. Bauer claims that their new Pro 4-Roll is lighter (by 15%) and more protective (10%) than the old version of the glove.

As for the Franchise glove argument.... Warrior/MIA has a lot of experience and there are a lot of players that like foams like TriLam or VA80 without plastics. The plastic inserts do not allow the glove to dry out as easily and can cause increased wear (esp. when combined with Tufftek). I also have found that the standard TriLam foams broke in easier than the ProPack foams.

Lets face it - players buying gloves on the retail level will likely never need to protection of the ProPack (VA80 with inserts). TriLam offers protection very close to ProPack with more comfort, better durability/longevity and less break in time. With that said, I still order my custom Franchises with ProPack - mainly for the lock thumb and resale factor.

The problem is, is that the U+CL gloves have very narrow/snug fitting fingers and not a lot of foam like 4 rolls of Warrior or the Luxe or the Vapors or Totalones. Which is why I am confused about the Price of the U+CL. Not only is there not a lot of foam on the U+CL's fingers, I can squish it very easily, which tells me the protection of this foam is not that great. A small platic insert is not going to add any amount of weight that I would be able to detect either.

[chippa13 1844]

Being able to compress foam doesn't mean it is not protective. Many foams are designed specifically to have give so that the foam takes the brunt of the impact and not a body part.

[zaytser 0]

Being able to compress foam doesn't mean it is not protective. Many foams are designed specifically to have give so that the foam takes the brunt of the impact and not a body part.

Have you seen the foam on the new 2011 CCM gloves? If you did you would understand why I I think plastic inserts would be nice, especially for what is supposedly their top of the line glove. Still that isn't the point of my post. My question, is why would the top of the line glove not have plastic inserts yet the model just below it does. I am pretty sure both models have the same foam. The only difference that I can see is different palm material and different stiching for the models and $50 dollars difference.

[Stoop 1]

You can keep asking the question, but I'm pretty sure that Gelfitefish gave you the answer: "reduce weight and provide similar protection to single/dual density foams w/ plastic inserts." You're free to doubt those claims and buy the U+ 12.

[Gr8erade 1]

You can keep asking the question, but I'm pretty sure that Gelfitefish gave you the answer: "reduce weight and provide similar protection to single/dual density foams w/ plastic inserts." You're free to doubt those claims and buy the U+ 12.

Hence CL.... Crazy Light.

[zaytser 0]

You can keep asking the question, but I'm pretty sure that Gelfitefish gave you the answer: "reduce weight and provide similar protection to single/dual density foams w/ plastic inserts." You're free to doubt those claims and buy the U+ 12.

Or...... A person can believe the Crazy Light BS claim, because they certainly do not feel lighter than the other model. They certainly aren't lighteron the wallet.

[snipey 0]

Then I guess your mind is made up then. Save the $50 and get your plastic insterts in the U+ 12

[AIREAYE 248]

The problem is, is that the U+CL gloves have very narrow/snug fitting fingers and not a lot of foam like 4 rolls of Warrior or the Luxe or the Vapors or Totalones. Which is why I am confused about the Price of the U+CL. Not only is there not a lot of foam on the U+CL's fingers, I can squish it very easily, which tells me the protection of this foam is not that great. A small platic insert is not going to add any amount of weight that I would be able to detect either.

you're squishing it from the sides of the glove finger, when the foams are designed to take impact from ABOVE, of course they'd give. Pinching and comparing gloves from sometihng like Warrior's TriLam system and a standard plastic insert isn't wholly fair.

One little comment I'd like to add is about Pro Hockey Life's 'Beer League' Franchises (SMUs). I tried them on in store and their lock thumb and quality of their supposed Trilam foam isn't nearly as sturdy as regular Franchises and at the same price, you're paying for the color schemes and logo. Buyer beware

[Jarick 5]

I did the JR test, put on the glove and give it a whack with a stick. My R8's, can't feel a thing. Every glove without inserts, you can feel it. My league doesn't have too much hacking, but I've seen my fingers go black, blue, and numb from faceoffs and pucks enough to use gloves with inserts.