pronation and vapor 3.0 help

[vapor lover 0]

Hey guys. im a new member here and i have some questions on the vapor 3.0's and what i belive (?) is a pronation problem. first of all i was wondering if the vapor 3.0's have removable runners. my bigger question is more of a problem. when i skate i have an obvious pronation, that makes it hard for me to use the outside edges of my skates. i have read online that some shops can put wedges under the holders, to correct this problem. i have also read you can put a rubber insert under the foot bed to align your feet better. what is the best way to correct this pronation along with the best for the money as i dont have alot of that. thanks!

[natbat 0]

First you need to see a foot doctor. I have had foot/skate issue for years, and once I found the right foot doctor he made simple suggestions that made a huge difference. I learned that we all pronate to some degree. For me the Bauer arch is not supportive enough. That means when I put on a pair of Bauer skates, the skates allows me to pronate somewhat. (The sides of my feet would cramp up because my foot was twisting inside the skate) My doctor informed me that I needed to add an aftermarket insole that would prevent my arch from collapsing. He added, that I need to keep my foot in a "neutral position". Your neutral position is right before your foot collapses when you walk barefoot. I have a low arch and still need aftermarket insoles in a Bauer skate. Don't confuse arch and what my doctor called step height. Step height is the difference ( In Height) between the heel and the toe of the skate. I am not a doctor and please don't think I am speaking as an expert. I have had problems for years and finally have it figured out between a doctors advice and over 20 years of problems.

[jbss71 1]

Wedges, and moving the holders in help.

X3 has a ls2 holder, so it should be. Pull the footbed and check.

[vapor lover 0]

First you need to see a foot doctor. I have had foot/skate issue for years, and once I found the right foot doctor he made simple suggestions that made a huge difference. I learned that we all pronate to some degree. For me the Bauer arch is not supportive enough. That means when I put on a pair of Bauer skates, the skates allows me to pronate somewhat. (The sides of my feet would cramp up because my foot was twisting inside the skate) My doctor informed me that I needed to add an aftermarket insole that would prevent my arch from collapsing. He added, that I need to keep my foot in a "neutral position". Your neutral position is right before your foot collapses when you walk barefoot. I have a low arch and still need aftermarket insoles in a Bauer skate. Don't confuse arch and what my doctor called step height. Step height is the difference ( In Height) between the heel and the toe of the skate. I am not a doctor and please don't think I am speaking as an expert. I have had problems for years and finally have it figured out between a doctors advice and over 20 years of problems.

natbat; i have insoles for shes as i have low arches. would that help anything? i do have low arches, but the thing is that im not sure if the ankles flex, or if it is at my knees being kindof bowlegged

[natbat 0]

First off, I have had several foot doctors tell me that orthotics will not work in stock (off the shelf)skates. An orthotic would need to be built into the skate. Insoles is what you should try for your skates. Graf in-step and Yellow superfeet work well. When you add an insole you will lose depth of the boot, so be careful. This advice does not take account a unique skating style that may cause issues when skating. I have a low arch and pronate when I press into the skate. For me, I needed to keep my arch from collapsing. I thought I needed orthotics, but all I needed was to figure out how to keep my foot in a "neutral position". Newer skates will support your ankles very well and after My foot doctor seen my skates, he thought they were to stiff. Make sure your ankle is in the center of the ankle area of the skate, If it is, you shouldn't have any ankle issues. If the boot is not deep enough, your ankle will be close to the eyelet.

[vapor lover 0]

ok thanks. i might try the super feet but first im going to try the skates and see how it affects my skating.

[natbat 0]

ok thanks. i might try the super feet but first im going to try the skates and see how it affects my skating.

If you are not pronating in the skate then you don't need an insole....Good luck.

[vapor lover 0]

im not sure if im pronating in the skate or not. all i know is that my feet lean inward as i skate, and i only use the inside edge most of the time, making my blades bend outward

[natbat 0]

It sounds like you do. When you pronate, your arch's collapse and the skates bend inward. For me I needed insoles that would lift my arch and prevent the collapsing of my arch's. If you have insurance, see a foot doctor. After a few x-rays he/she will be able to tell you exactly what is going on. Let me clarify, everybody pronate's somewhat, but if you excessively pronate then you will have problems, especially in skates. Again, I am just repeating what my foot doctor told me. I hope I can help you out or at least send you in a direction. I know how frustrating it can be to deal with skate fit issues.

Are you bending the holders? or just the steel?

[vapor lover 0]

thanks alot guys. im going to see if i have any good foot doctors under my insurance and see if they could get a custom orthotic made for me. i will also see if i can ge the holder moved, but where i live there arent alot of shops around.

[natbat 0]

thanks alot guys. im going to see if i have any good foot doctors under my insurance and see if they could get a custom orthotic made for me. i will also see if i can ge the holder moved, but where i live there arent alot of shops around.

Good Luck!

[vapor lover 0]

thanks

[vapor lover 0]

one more thing. how do i know it is deffinetly pronation? i see many people skating at the rinkt he same as i do. ie: feet slanted sligithly inward while skating

[natbat 0]

one more thing. how do i know it is deffinetly pronation? i see many people skating at the rinkt he same as i do. ie: feet slanted sligithly inward while skating

First and foremost it is a medical condition. Meaning when a foot doctor views x-rays of your foot he can tell you if you excessively pronate. (I pronate so bad that the top of my foot is pulled down and the angle of my ankle bone is off) When you watch someone skate, their feet will bend inward. That is a natural motion, not to be confused with excessively pronating. Normally you can tell when a player is standing still. With young players this is very common and I am watching that with my daughter. If you are standing and the skate is bent inward there is 2 things that it could be. 1) skates not tight enough 2) arch is collapsing in the skate and bending it inward. My doctor told me that I want a skate small enough to properly support my foot but not to small it hurts. Any room in the skate your foot will try to fill when you press downwards. Also, weight and your skating ability play a huge role.

[vapor lover 0]

ok. see im most likely not pronaing then, because when i stand around my feet are straight up and down,. however when i skate i have my feet lean in. i am around 5'6 and weight a decent amount so that my blades have bent over time

[natbat 0]

ok. see im most likely not pronaing then, because when i stand around my feet are straight up and down,. however when i skate i have my feet lean in. i am around 5'6 and weight a decent amount so that my blades have bent over time

Do you have any pain on the side of your feet? Are you a smooth skater or rough? ask a friend that watch's you skate. If you are bending blades/holders, there is a issue. These are questions that a skate coach would ask. When I stand in skates they are straight up and down, but when i skate, I excessively pronate. Its not always so obvious. If you are having edge issues as you mentioned you may have some type of alignment/ foot issue. For years I had issues with using my outside edges and once I corrected my arch I solved those issues. When I was in juniors I was 5'10 and a solid 200lbs. I went through skates like water. 3 pairs in a season and multiple holder/blade changes.....all do to pronating excessively. It wasn't until my second year,a skate coach noticed something was wrong and sent me to a foot doctor. Hope some of this info can help....but trust me if you play competitively, see a foot doctor I corrected my issues the last year I played competitively....All those years I struggled with skate issues....Every time I get a new pair of skates, I see my foot doctor to see what is going on with my feet. Skates are to expensive. Oh... Also with skates so stiff nowadays it is harder to see foot issues. It is not until the skate breaks down that you notice you have a problem. A new skate will hold your foot straight as an arrow until the unbalanced force of your foot changes the structure of the skate. In my old Bauer 8090's the arch was collapsed from 6 years of use. I was pronating in the skate and crushing the arch.

[vapor lover 0]

ok. i have insoles for my shoes that help with my arches. would i be able to use those? i put them in my skates today and have been wearing them and they feel great, but i would need to skate in them to see

[natbat 0]

ok. i have insoles for my shoes that help with my arches. would i be able to use those? i put them in my skates today and have been wearing them and they feel great, but i would need to skate in them to see

yes. Insoles are what you want to use. Orthotics will not work in retail skates.

[vapor lover 0]

ok. so the insole from my shoe might work?

[905swag 0]

ok thanks. i might try the super feet but first im going to try the skates and see how it affects my skating.

i'm a bad pronator too, i got the super feet yellow's and i'm pretty much cured, food for thought broheim

[jbss71 1]

i'm a bad pronator too, i got the super feet yellow's and i'm pretty much cured, food for thought broheim

what size skate, and what size superfeet?

[natbat 0]

An insole could do the trick. I just ordered a pair of superfeet tonight. I ordered men's 9.5-11 for a 8.5 Bauer Skate. I wear a 10 shoe....If this helps. My left Graf insole was causing rubbing issues. Was told tonight that Superfeet yellow fit very well in Bauer skates. Worth a shot. The Graf in-step insole worked very well for my problem, was told the Superfeet is not as thick in the heel.

[905swag 0]

what size skate, and what size superfeet?

7.5d skate, and whatever superfeet matches that. the insole definetly puts pressure in my arch to help push it upwards.

[natbat 0]

Forget every assessment that we or your freinds do. Spend $50 and go to a podiatrist, ask to measure your feet for leg length discrepancy and also examine it for pronation, a knowledgeable doctor will be able to see pronation or supination without an x-ray by simply using his hands and watching you walk, stand.

Cheers.

Yep!!! see a foot doctor. I am telling you what I went through, but it may be a lot different for you.

[Jordan 13]

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First off, I have had several foot doctors tell me that orthotics will not work in stock (off the shelf)skates. An orthotic would need to be built into the skate

Well...just shed some light on the other side of that argument, there are sports podriatrists out there that can effectively build an orthotic, and trim and alter it to work in the skates.

My daughter is a competitive figure skater and has successfully used prescription orthotics for years...as have a great many of her training partners, coaches and competitors.

The idea that superfeet could work, but that a custom orthotic couldn't just doesn't make much sense. That said, you do need to find someone who knows what they are doing. Further, you may well need a deeper skate than what you currently use in order to accomodate the orthotic.

When my daughter needs new skates (and they make hockey skates look like a bargain) she tries on skates with the orthotic.

Anyhow, my advice would be to investigate all options that are available.