bladesdangles 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 Im using a 9900 right now, I tried on a 4500 once an it was super comfortable(not to mention looks) but could someone tell me, how big the difference REALLY is between the cellefix liner(I think it's called) vs the eppx liner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dir3 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 If your talking Bauer wouldnt you be taking a step down? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vuronov 18 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 I think that's why he's asking about the difference in protection since he's wanting to technically move down the product line due to comfort and style.The 4500 is one of the classic helmet designs of the last 20 or so years and one I still see everywhere along with another classic the CCM HT style helmets. I think any certified helmet from a reputable manufacturer will provide more than adequate head protection for the average rec league player in so far as protection from the risks of spills and such. I think where the more modern technologies used in helmets like the 9900 really come into play is in weight, comfort, ventilation and collisions with other players in the extreme sense.Personally, I prefer to get the best helmet that I can afford that feels comfortable on my head, but I think if comfort is truly better for you in a "lower" helmet that is still certified, you probably aren't sacrificing anything too serious assuming you're not playing in a full contact league. Just my 2 cents though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 From what I recall, VN padding tests better on rotational impacts and EPP padding tests better on direct impacts. Since the certification test is solely for direct impacts, it scores "better" than VN. My preference is usually for VN helmets, but I love my Easton E700. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AIREAYE 248 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 From what I recall, VN padding tests better on rotational impacts and EPP padding tests better on direct impacts. Since the certification test is solely for direct impacts, it scores "better" than VN. My preference is usually for VN helmets, but I love my Easton E700.VN for repeated smaller energy impacts and EPP for a single intense impact is what I've picked up on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 VN for repeated smaller energy impacts and EPP for a single intense impact is what I've picked up on. Again, it depends on the type of impact, but you are correct that EPP loses some portion of its protective abilities if it compresses during an impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bladesdangles 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 chadd, is the vn liner that much less protective against big impacts(im assuming like a shoulder to the head or the board is big impacts) than the epp liner? or is it just a smaller number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AIREAYE 248 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 Chadd's right in that it depends on other factors. Get the helmet that fits you the best with minimal negative space, forget what's on the inside; they're all certified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 chadd, is the vn liner that much less protective against big impacts(im assuming like a shoulder to the head or the board is big impacts) than the epp liner? or is it just a smaller number.I am not an expert on this, but I believe that even "big hits" in hockey still qualify as low speed impacts for testing purposes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pure Hockey 4 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 That's the biggest thing, as AIR mentioned, minimal negative space and the best fit, a 4500 properly fit is going to be more protective than a 9900 misfit. They are all certified, and produced by a top company. You're getting a quality product. Make sure it is comfortable and fit correctly and you should be fine. Most of us dont have Scott Stevens coming across the blue line trying to lay you out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AIREAYE 248 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 That's the biggest thing, as AIR mentioned, minimal negative space and the best fit, a 4500 properly fit is going to be more protective than a 9900 misfit. They are all certified, and produced by a top company. You're getting a quality product. Make sure it is comfortable and fit correctly and you should be fine. Most of us dont have Scott Stevens coming across the blue line trying to lay you out.Yes, absolutely. I always tell my customers that if something like a 2100 fits better than sometihng like a Re-Akt or E700, then I will always reccomend the 2100. It takes a very very large amount of resources to develop and test a helmet for market. Those safety tests are no crapshoot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 Most of us dont have Scott Stevens coming across the blue line trying to lay you out.No helmet in the world is going to make a significant difference in a case like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pure Hockey 4 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 Yes, absolutely. I always tell my customers that if something like a 2100 fits better than sometihng like a Re-Akt or E700, then I will always reccomend the 2100. It takes a very very large amount of resources to develop and test a helmet for market. Those safety tests are no crapshoot!Dead on. The Re-Akt and E700 are both phenomenal, and I have worn them both in the past couple months, but fit wrong and they're useless. Just like a bungee doesnt work if its longer than the jump is high. Find something comfortable, get it fit and wear it right. That's safer than blindly assuming the most expensive, or newest helmet is safest and buying that. I wore the 4500 for years, right up until I started doing demo's for PH. Great helmet. Wear it as it's meant to be worn and you'll be fine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AIREAYE 248 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 It's good to see a retailer be this honest about product in a public setting, good for you Pure Hockey guy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doctor Hook 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2012 Been rocking the 4500 in beer league for almost 10 years and no issues. Love it so much I bought 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bolt91 31 Report post Posted June 26, 2012 Dead on. The Re-Akt and E700 are both phenomenal, and I have worn them both in the past couple months, but fit wrong and they're useless. Just like a bungee doesnt work if its longer than the jump is high. Find something comfortable, get it fit and wear it right. That's safer than blindly assuming the most expensive, or newest helmet is safest and buying that. I wore the 4500 for years, right up until I started doing demo's for PH. Great helmet. Wear it as it's meant to be worn and you'll be fineOne of the reasons I love Pure Hockey. Thanks for being honest! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kkurtz21 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2012 USA hockey has been doing extensive research on concussions and helmets recentlyWhat they came out with was no helmet is proven to prevent concussionsJoe Bertagna (commissioner of hockey east) mentioned a study that is soon to be proved that staying hydrated can reduce concussionsThey believe a lot of fluid can cushion the brain and reduce concussions By the facts,The 4500 is just as protective as any helmet out there I wear one and find it just as protective as my other past helmets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
third man in 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2012 USA hockey has been doing extensive research on concussions and helmets recentlyWhat they came out with was no helmet is proven to prevent concussionsJoe Bertagna (commissioner of hockey east) mentioned a study that is soon to be proved that staying hydrated can reduce concussionsThey believe a lot of fluid can cushion the brain and reduce concussionsBy the facts,The 4500 is just as protective as any helmet out thereI wear one and find it just as protective as my other past helmetsInteresting. I don't have a link but I've heard about a few cases where doctors have studied MMA fighters/boxers and touched on the links with dehydration and concussions. You figure its quite dangerous in those sports where cutting weight is so key. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted August 8, 2012 USA hockey has been doing extensive research on concussions and helmets recentlyWhat they came out with was no helmet is proven to prevent concussionsJoe Bertagna (commissioner of hockey east) mentioned a study that is soon to be proved that staying hydrated can reduce concussionsThey believe a lot of fluid can cushion the brain and reduce concussionsBy the facts,The 4500 is just as protective as any helmet out thereI wear one and find it just as protective as my other past helmetsThere are a couple * that should be in that post. If the 4500 fits properly, it is a very good helmet. Just like almost every other model on the market. There have been studies that show VN (like in the 4500) does a better job of protecting against rotational impacts, while EPP type foams do a better job on direct impacts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kkurtz21 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2012 Are you speaking in terms of just impact or concussion also? I was referring to concussions because that's generally the only worry people have with helmet protection Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted August 8, 2012 Are you speaking in terms of just impact or concussion also? I was referring to concussions because that's generally the only worry people have with helmet protectionBoth, they are directly related. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
