how about this~~!

[releap 0]

maybe 1 years ago, i compared two skates.

Hi MDE3.

nice to talk to you.

i'm really interested in inlinehockey chassis.

then..

in my case, new model is released . i 'll buy it.

then i test it.

Nowday,i manage hockeycommunity website.

hockeycompany supported me.

MDE3,

you said.

if changed hummer wheel setup(up duromter), feel better.

- i agree. but you will slipped.

is foot print distance same?

- similiar

deflection problem

- it's serious. above all, front wheel defelction problem is really bad.

instantaneous reactionary force go down.

and if changed wheel(up durometer), you will slipped(than soft wheel).

.

i think that inline hockey really need to run ability ,,

because inline skating is to difficult to stride.

but ice skating is not.

diffrence.

inline wheel lay down, you did stop.

but ice blade lay down, you did turn.

what it mean?

ice skating can widely stride(if blade lay down, ice blade don't slipped.)

but inline skating is not. (do you know NEXED V-form Technology?)

finally most inlinehockeyplayer still run...

and many my teammate bought tour beemer,blue max,

but

nowday, teammate changed skates to mission , Again.

p.s ^^ who are you?? what's your job?

[MDE3 0]

My business has nothing to do with hockey, but I have coached and run power skating clinics over the years for both ice and inline hockey at youth and high school levels. My son plays some "Pro" and semi pro inline, so I get to see his results all the time with whatever newer technology he gets to try. I taught inline power skating pretty much like I taught ice hockey power skating using a "three piece stride", and if you ever saw my son skate, you can see it works. But...there are significant differences..mostly in the push angles

The "harder" durometer Rink Rats(78/62) do NOT slip on the Hum'er chassis....nor do the newer Pro Dynasties, a wheel like the Millenium X-softs do feel like they deflect more than the 78/62 Hornets. The Rink Rat three piece wheels are built the opposite way from the Labeda Dynasty three piece wheels...with the Rink rats, the hardest compound is on the outside, and the softest on the inside. I was told by someone, that the Dynasty wheels are the reverse with the softest layer on the outside and the hardest on the inside. Having used both, and in fact just switched from using the Pro Dynasty x-soft to a harder RR wheel, my son could immediately feel the gain in acceleration, but with no loss in grip. I can only attribute this gain to reduced deflection with the Rink Rats, because the actual grip on both wheels was very good. Every skating style varies of course, so what may be true for my son, may certainly not be true for others.

When my son first used the Labeda Hum'er, it was mounted on Nike HiHo's, and because of a sponsorship obligation he was obliged to mount Labeda Millenium Gripper Lites..x-soft for a specific competiton...He could barely skate on these wheels, due primarily to the additional deflection...he felt like he was going to fall over frontwards all the time on take off.. When he switched to the Beemers, also equipped with the Hum'er, but which come with the The Dynasty Pro's x-soft, they were not nearly as bad as the x-soft Gripper Lites and he skated much better with these. However he still feels like he was not as fast as when he switched back to the RR 78/62 Hornets. Again skating style and personal feel have a lot to do with this.

The other chassis he really liked next to the Hum'er was the Nexed Stinger 2 degree (me too). We have always felt that the slight angle of the front wheel to the inside, gave the skater some additional "bite" allowing a better "toe kick", and thus were faster than the traditional HiLO's.

Your height comparison of the Blue Max to the 2004 D1c's is not really fair, because you appear to have 76mm wheels on the Mission, or even 72's, while the Blue Max has the 80 mm wheels. Put the regular 80,80,72,72 mm HiLO set up on the Mission, and it will be "taller" than the Blue Max.

Until the next time....lol.

[releap 0]

hi MDE~

Mission Skate was Original setting(72,72,80,80) in picture.

i took a shot in hockeyshop.

two skates are sample product.

if you see more detail you find out.

it's Fair ^^;;

i'm not liar~

i used RR Hornet and RR Hotshot.

ANd My Favorite Wheel is Hotshot And LABEL ORange Millenium.

in hornet(with Hornet 68,76durometer(Blumax)) case

did'nt slipped . but more deflect.

but if i changed wheel(68,78) ,it better..

i think RR Wheel has great Grip

because it has 3 layer.

it works well.

this technology is make larger contact dispatch .

but it reduce Rebound.

[MDE3 0]

My bad....your height comparison photo was at the front of the skates. so they were reversed. I have also compared the Hum'ers to other chassis..and they are no higher(HiHo's and Nexeds)..depends on the chassis.

As far as the "rebound" thing goes, I know that what you are saying is Labeda's "party line" for their wheels, but in practice....well that has not been our experience. My son has used Rink Rat Hornets, 78/62's and 76/62's, and prefers the harder wheels(meaning the harder Rink Rats). He has used the Labeda Dynasty Pro's and the Dynasty reds, but prefers the Rink Rats....do not get me wrong ..the Dynasty is a great wheel too, but we could not get the life out of them, and for whatever reason, my son's skating style seems to work better with the Rink Rats and the larger wheels.

By the way, what size skates were you comparing? The photo from the top showing the rear overhang does not mean much. In the smaller sizes the Hum'er chassis will be longer, but in the size 9 and up, the axle to axle center distances are the same, front to rear.

Skating is so much a feel thing, I am sure there is room for a lot of different "right" combinations.

[fatwabbit 93]

hi releap, where are you from?

[releap 0]

hi MDE.

i'm not sure, but it's smilar size.

because i weard both skate in hockeyshop.

maybe mission was 8.5 (picture)

, tour beemer was 7.5 or 8..

and tour skates not higher than nike(bauer) or ccm ....

but it's higher than mission,Redstar

have you think?

why tour made Beemer?

it's Bonus Picture ^^

1.they want shortter frame than Sensor.

2.they want low pitch frame with Big Wheel.(why they made a hole?)

3.they want speed.

4.they want not pay hilo royalty to Mission

and..

bonus question

Do you know why mission changed wheel company?

hint. it's related no4..

and i heard tour own labeda.

^^

hi fatwabbit

nice to see you ^^

i'm from Hockeyworld ^^

just kidding.

have a good day.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

Your picture is misleading. Obviously the skate on the left is bigger than the one on the right...the frames might be the same size, but they are going to fit in different spots of the skate. For instance, a L frame will look longer on a size 8 vs a size 11...

[MDE3 0]

Actually on the Hum'er frames, the "small" and the "medium" frames have the same wheel base of 9.3", the difference is in the space between the platforms, not in the wheelbase. That is why it is important that you specify the correct size because you will have the mounting come out with the rear wheel sitting to far back, if you try to mount the "small" chassis on too large a boot. In order to get the heel plate to mount centered in the heel area of the boot, the chassis usually ends up being offset to the rear by about 1/4" - 1/2" as we saw on one of the earlier posts. I have had both the small and the medium chassis, so I had a chance to compare them. The medium should be used on size 9 and up, except for the Nikes where their size 8 is about equal to everyone elses size 9. So if you are mounting a Hum'er on a size 8 HiHo, then use the medium, not the small chassis.

This 9.3" wheelbase (measure axle center to axle center front to rear), is the same wheel base found on the stock Nike and other OEM HiLo chassis for these size skates(except the new Missions). So in fact within these sizes(9-12), the only extra overhang that will be noticed with the Hum'er is the additional 4 mm from the front wheels(1/2 of the 8 mm difference between an 80mm and a 72mm)

With the chassis correctly centered, you would see 2 mm difference on a hum'er vs a traditional HiLO at each end, but the actual contact point wheelbase for the wheels on the floor would be the same distance apart when measured front to rear.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

..something like that. :D

[MDE3 0]

Too much detail?.......

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

Anything in that technobabble that supported my thought? :)

[MDE3 0]

Actually yes....to make it simple....the difference in percieved length of the Hum'er chassis versus various others will get smaller as the size of the skate increases. Hence on any skate that uses a 9.3" chassis...ie. most skates over size 9....the difference will not be great..2 mm on each end, and the actual contact wheelbase will be the same. But if you took a size 8 Tour skate to compare, to a size 8 in another brand..the difference will look very large because the wheelbase is determined by the size of the wheels. 9.3" is the smallest Hum'er available, with the 80mm wheels.

[JR Boucicaut 3801]

That's what I thought.