HackeyNoob 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2004 I am simply one of those people who are never happy with what they have. I'm turning into a skate whore though I'm still a noobie :) Anyhow, I can get a pair of these for 175.00 (anyone can). Has anyone used them or there little brothers 20-70? I had the 20-50's and fell in love with how comfortable the boot was. I'm using d3's right now and though they haven't given me problems I'm looking for a more comfortable boot. They aren't the sharpest looking things but I play for fun and want to be comfortable! input would be great. Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LetsGoWings13 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2004 i have the 20-70 and i used them today and they are amazing. i may be swiching wheels tho to hot shots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cunndies 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2004 I use 20-70's just now, and I love 'em!They're not too pricey, but they're a damn good skate. If the fit's good for your feet, I'd go for them. They're nice and stiff, mine have been pretty durable so far, and they've got decent bearings to boot. Plus, I like the Unity's they come with for wheels... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggie 9 Report post Posted December 23, 2004 I've been using 20-90's for a few months now. Took a little while to break them in. I still like my Roller Daddy's better because the Nike boot flexes more and is a little bit more comfortable than the Bauer boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim A 4 Report post Posted December 23, 2004 make sure you know what size to get..people typically went down 0.5 to 1 size greater than a comparable Bauer skate..typically a half size..because of the increased overall volumei like the skate a lot..and with not a lot of structural changes to next year's 3090..its a real good deal.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saba 0 Report post Posted December 26, 2004 Buddy on team has them real good skate, took forever to break in despite skate bake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#96 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 Aggie,What does overall "skate volume" mean? And what do you mean by, "go .5 lower than a comprable Bauer boot"? Do you mean, if you use a 9 ice skate, use an 8.5 20-90? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggie 9 Report post Posted December 27, 2004 I don't know if this helps, but I'm a size 8.5D in Nike Roller Daddy's and V-12's (ice) and a size 9R in the 20-90's. I have never tried on Bauer ice skates, but my old Bauer 3000 and Vapor 10 Rocker inlines were both 8.5EE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HackeyNoob 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2004 Skated for about 2 hours on em today and my feet hurt! I was expecting the stiffness but is the feeling of soreness/bruising normal on the inside arch of the foot normal? Gonna skate at least 3-4 more times this week and hopefully that starts to go away B) They are better looking than I thought as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aggie 9 Report post Posted December 29, 2004 Yeah, I had that problem when breaking in my 20-90's, but only for my left foot/arch. I didn't get any bruising, though. Just discomfort when skating. I find that if I don't lace them up too tightly in the forefoot area, they are fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDE3 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2004 Try cutting an insert in half and use only the front portion, under your regular insert. Cut it short enough so that it does not fall onto the arch/sole radius area, or taper it to avoid this. You may also want to try to "taper" the trailing edge using sharp scissors (closest to the arch) so there is no "bump" under your original insert where the extra half insert ends. I found this corrected a lot of the "high arch" problems in some of my own skates...I have low arches, so almost every skate I used had this problem. I also used to cut down the thick area under the arch on my original inserts as well if the first correction above was not sufficient.....I have VERY low arches. By adding a second insert pad under the front of your foot, this will also allow your foot to be more snug without overtightening the laces. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HackeyNoob 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2004 I'm just curious but could it be the insert thats hurting my foot? I've swapped my D3 ones and my 20-90 ones but it's sort of hard to tell without some skate time. I may try it tommarrow. Thanks for the suggestion MDE and if this continues to happen I will definitely try it. Oh btw-- these are about a half size to big which is sort of annoying me but could this also be a huge problem? When I skated yesterday they were stiff but I just brushed this off as new skate syndrome. Thansk!@ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#96 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 On a website, it says the 20-90s are the same skate as the Vapor ice skates. Is that true? How do they fit? I've noticed ice and roller dont ever really seem to feel the same. Do they feel like Vapors - to anyone that has Vapor ice of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDE3 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 I've noticed ice and roller dont ever really seem to feel the same. Usually because 1) the chassis and wheels are much heavier, and 2) the mounting platforms are rarely identical in terms of drop. Even a slight change in the pitch of the front platform will result in a different feel, and an increase in the drop distance from the rear to the front sole plates can substantially increase the radius of the arch, also changing the feel. That happened a lot when CCM converted 852 ice boots to the 870 inline (or whatever numerical designation it was given), as well as the 952 to the 970's. I could wear their ice skate quite comfortably, but could not tolerate their inline for even 10 minutes..and it was the same boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 I've noticed ice and roller dont ever really seem to feel the same. Usually because 1) the chassis and wheels are much heavier, and 2) the mounting platforms are rarely identical in terms of drop. Even a slight change in the pitch of the front platform will result in a different feel, and an increase in the drop distance from the rear to the front sole plates can substantially increase the radius of the arch, also changing the feel. That happened a lot when CCM converted 852 ice boots to the 870 inline (or whatever numerical designation it was given), as well as the 952 to the 970's. I could wear their ice skate quite comfortably, but could not tolerate their inline for even 10 minutes..and it was the same boot. I swapped the Tuuks on my 852s for a Mission chassis and noticed a difference but I never had a big problem with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim A 4 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 I'm glad I wasn't the only one with that CCM issue...I loved my 755's for roller..and when i went for 752's for ice..they literally tore my foot up at the ankle..i had to wear a slash protector around my ankle for a few weeks..went back to Bauer, my skate or choice for nearly 30 years now..and never looked anywhere else after that .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites