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    I'm using a special lacing technique for a good heellock with my Tf7. Through eylet 3 and 4 from the top I'm building an outsideloop and then go through it across from the top eylet for the final knot and loop. I found it somewhere here in the forum. Gives you a perfect heellock and forward flex without too much pressure. I'm planning a rebake after 20 hockey sessions for breaking them in and will try a standard lacing then. 

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    7 hours ago, Vet88 said:

    I would say it's not the skate or size (youth and small junior excluded due to blade length) that determines the profile, it's you. Any blade can have any profile on it, how well you skate on that profile is up to the skater. But if you wanted to try a different profile from a stock 10' then a Quad 0 is as good as any place to start. It will be different, you may take to it quickly, you might hate it or love it. I recently went the other way, a combo to a 10', it messed with me enough that it took 2 weeks before I could accelerate hard out of turns without feeling I was sitting hard on my heels.

    If one consistently followed the theory that different areas of the runner are responsible for different actions, one would have to make different templates for different runner lengths. So there should be a different Quad Zero profile template(6 9 11 13) for, for example, 246mm and 296mm runners, right? If the runner is too short, the acceleration zone would be too far forward, or no longer there, and if the runner is too long, the acceleration zone would be too far in the middle, right? Prosharp recommends choosing only one size below and above the optimal recommendation. That means that the Quad Zero Profile would only be ok for skates between size 6 and 9. This seems to be a problem of the multi radius profiles, single and dual profiles don´t need this adjustment.

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    11 hours ago, Vet88 said:

    If neither have been sharpened then the top is a quad 0 (6 9 11 13)

    Is Bauer really putting a Quad Zero on every runner length?

     

    18 hours ago, 218hockey said:

    I've come across this issue a few times. How can I tell which profile is on my runners?

    Try them on ice!

    I have two sets of runners for my trues´s, one is from Step and is some mm´s lower. The stock ones had been pofiled ellipse xs and the step had been profiled ellipse zero. I couldn´t tell the difference between them by eye, no matter what i`ve tryed. On ice there was a huge difference. Now both are profiled ellipse xs and one set had been sharpened twice by hand and its feeling different in my head. But i didn´t have the time to compare both sets directly on the ice.

    Maybe you could digitice the runners and try a comparison on a pc.

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    On 8/4/2021 at 5:49 PM, Sniper9 said:

    Take the footbed out and see if the length is right. Whether you can get your foot in the true skate prebake has no indication of how they will fit baked. 

    Don´t forget that half and full sizes have a different construction in the toebox. In a half-size boot the toebox, above a small foam-wall, is some mm longer than the insole.

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    59 minutes ago, boo10 said:

    I'm not saying quads are bad, I'm saying they're bad for beginners.  I firmly believe that beginners should learn on a single 9' or 10' radius, (9.5'-10.5' dual is ok too).  Once they have mastered the basics, they can then try more complex profiles.  I don't like longer singles like a 13' for beginners either, because I think it's too much of a crutch and hinders muscle development.

    If you had limited me as a late adult beginner with handicaps(never before done skating or sports, overweight, over 50 years old) to a 10' radius with a 1/2' hollow, I would have given up my 'hockey career' after a few weeks.

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    On 7/23/2021 at 4:11 PM, boo10 said:

    I couldn't agree more.  IMHO it's a terrible idea to put a beginner on a quad.  I've been playing for 45 years and consider myself a very strong skater.  The first time I tried a quad I could not do crossovers at low speed, I would literally almost fall down.

    Maybe you didn´t choose the right Quad for your runner-lenght, or a Quad is not suitable for your setup/skating style. Depends on which profile/pitch you are coming from and what you want to achieve. The Quad seems to be more focused on agility and acceleration, the Zuperior on stability and speed and the Ellipse seems to be somewhere between those two.

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    Because I was searching for something more maneuverable than Ellipse Zero, I had the choice between the Ellipse XS, Zuperior XS and Quad Zero. Finally I made the decision to try the Ellipse XS next.

    Due to covid lockdown during the last months, I only had been playing for some Times on TF7 roller skates on outdoor rinks. And I was skating for my own on a pond for maybe 5-10 times during the winter. End of september was the last time I was in a inside hockey rink. So you should take my latest experiences with a grain of salt.

    On wednesday I was on ice playing hockey with my almost brandnew TF7( 6.5R 254mm, never played Hockey with them). My first impression with the Ellipse Zero(3/4") was awfull, too much forward pitch, too much steel under my toes and under my heel and the feeling like beeing on rails. After two minutes I changed my Step runners for the stock ones with the Ellipse XS(11/16"). Way better, everything was feeling natural as it should be and more than enough maneuverability, grip and glide.

    I will continue with the Ellipse Xs and after some time I will reevaluate again. It would be nice if I had finally found a hockeyskate setup for myself and could concentrate on skating.

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    Coming from a 11" profile on 6.5 Supreme 170s I had the experience I mentioned above. And it's similar to the Ellipse 0 I could compare 1:1 with the stock profile. Which Zuperior did you use on your Makos? 

    I had a similar problem with the length of the skates. Changing the tongue(the pro tongues are giving some mm more length; I don't know how but it's a fact) and using the heellock tying method solved it. 

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    8 hours ago, marka said:

    Howdy,

    Finally took the leap.  TF7 in 6.5R.  Coming from Mako M8 in 7.5.  These are definitely a bit shorter, but I wasn't brushing the toe cap in the Mako 7.5's and its "a bit".

    Lots of changes... New boot obviously, but also the next size down runner and going from a Zuperior profile to the stock 9'/10' combo on the TF7, if this thread is to be believed.  At least I was able to keep the radius the same at a 3/4 Fire.  No idea what's going to happen when I hit the ice later tonight!

    Mark

    Let me guess:

    A lot of agility and you can turn on a dime. Less speed and you are missing some steel underneath your heel. And maybe your edges are not sharp enough. Acceleration could be slower.

    After trying an Ellipse 0 I just ordered an Ellipse XS profile for my TF7 in in 6.5R. And I changed the felt tongue for a pro tongue.

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    On 3/15/2021 at 1:33 PM, pgeorgan said:

    Skated on the Ellipse XS last night.

    It's definitely way better than the Ellipse 0 in terms of fit for my holder size (254 and coming from a Quad 0).

    I tried the Ellipse 0 last winter and I lacked some agility. I'm just thinking about the profile I want to try next. I'm on 254mm steel. From your experience, can you remember the differences between the Quad 0 and Ellipse XS profiles?

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    Or you can convert a hardshell inline Skate with a thick removable Liner into a ice skate. Like this: https://www.proskatersplace.com/shop/winter-sports/inline-ice-blades/freestyle-ice-blades/

    Or a inline skate from Powerslide with this blade: https://www.skatepro.de/50-34380.htm?stockcode=120016/M&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIst2S_-SP8QIVg9V3Ch00AQT7EAUYAyABEgL4q_D_BwE

    Then you can modify the Liner for your needs, and exchange it easily. 

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    17 minutes ago, Westside said:

    Can’t speak to the FT7 tongues, but I did purchase the T-guard felt tongues (preferred the traditional look) for my TF9s and it took up a lot more volume inside the boot compared to the standard, thinner, memory foam-like TF9 tongue. I loosened the laces to compensate and then fit was fine, but probably could have rebaked to properly account for the added space it took up

     

    https://www.hockeyvancouver.ca/products/true-t-guard-felt-replacement-skate-tongues?_pos=4&_sid=37f11553a&_ss=r

    I did the opposite. Bought some pro tongues for my TF7. They gave me more room and a little bit more lenght. And they are way more comfortable than the TF7 felt tongues, the fit/lock also improved.

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    On 4/24/2021 at 11:50 PM, JBP said:

    I myself, along with a few other clients experienced the same thing you felt Furyan. Edges really digging in no matter what contour or ROH we tried. Turns out that the holder was excessively flexing side to side when powering forward or backward and under hard cornering and crossovers...very likely due to the tall and very thin profile of the True holders...that being, like you, was very easily and happily fixed with the installation of the CCM XS holders, and now we have an excellent setup like you...

     

    How du you know that the holder is flexing? Could it be that the difference(height, pitch and alignment of the blade) of the shift holder compared to the Tuuk/CCM holder is altering the balance point of the skate and this is leading to the feeling of flex?

  25. Posted · Edited by hockeydad3 · Report reply

    Let us try a theoretical and analytic approach to compare the Zuperior and the Quad profile and let us use the information provided by Prosharp (all with a grain of salt):

    prosharp | Hockeyshop Forster - Eishockey & Inlinehockey Online Shop

    Pro Sharp, 25,00 €

    Comparing the Zuperior S and the Quad Zero (both developped for size 7-8 skates):

    Assuming that the dominat zone for most skating action is the middle(maybe 80%?) part oft the speed/agility area, the Zuperior S has a 12' radius with a bit of a 20' radius towards the heel with a little bit of a 6' radius towards the toes and the Quad Zero has a 11' radius with a bit of a 9' radius towards the toes and a little bit of a 13' radius towards the heel. If we put a longer profile on a shorter runner, the middle part of the profile becomes even more dominant.

    Who knows what happens if we put a shorter profile on a longer runner? And what happens to the pitch if we change the runner size? Or what happens to the profile if we change the pitch?

    Those numbers can explain the differences between the two profiles. And it could explain why a Zuperior XS feels more close to a Quad Zero.

    If the Ellipse XS feels more close to a Quad Zero, then it could be that the Ellipse profile is more like a Zuperior profile, or it could be located in between the Zuperior profile and the Quad profile.

    So to get further with our findings we should compare the three profiles(Zuperior, Quad and Ellipse), in the size developed for the runner size, on the ice.

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