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  1. For those of us who only got the profiling from you this year and didn't really get to test them out due to COVID, can we still provide reviews later? I feel indebted to write something given how responsive and supportive you were.

    Right after you profiled my runners, the local rinks closed, and by the time I moved to the new city, I was only able to skate around 4 times before the rink re-closed (they won't reopen until 2021). It sucks that this project came to an end. With COVID though, I imagine it was bound to limit any real testing this year.


  2. On 5/11/2020 at 1:11 PM, CCMHockey said:

    Going to take a stab at some items that came up over the past couple of posts. Thanks everyone for reaching out!

    Forefoot is very comparable. Heel start a little more snug (but still very much a "B" heel) and can move out to compare with the nexus heel if necessary.

    Rib EE has a higher instep measurement than AS3 Pro EE, so more volume and wrap🙂 

    Very good call out here. I'm going to attempt to link some photos clarifying the current fit lineup:

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    Keep in mind that this 2nd image does not include the updated Super Tacks EE. Just imagine a little bit bigger yellow box 🙂 

     

    1. Same idea on Jetspeed. RFM composite is extremely thermoformable and especially so in a one-piece boot as the bottom of the skate is also RFM and lacks the glue and nails that can impact the bottom and immediate sides of a two piece skate from moving as much.
    2. Not sure what happened during your bake but regardless, the next step is to remold them (2 mins in a hot skate oven, no more) and tie them about how you would when playing. It's not necessary to tie them extremely tightly or really crank down on the eyelet row. Be sure to remain sitting until the skates are cool to the touch and don't get up and move around. This should take awhile, maybe 15-20 mins. Take care when molding to lace the skates back up after you've taken them off and leave a full 24hr (at room temp, but colder is better) before unlacing and skating. Good luck!
    3. Not sure if this applies to you, but when taking them off after normal use, loosen the laces down several eyelets before taking them off. It should be extremely easy to slide off and not require much leverage or effort. The skate goes under a lot of stress when being tied up and especially when being removed so taking an extra 10 seconds to really unlace them can help preserve the molded fit.

    Follow-question: when rebaking my FT490, does this "reset" the memory foam inside? I'm worried that, since my complaint is that the skates feel too loose after the original baking, that a second bake would only make them feel looser.

    I would like to make sure how rebaking affects the skate construction before moving forward since this may ruin the fit entirely for me. I should have not tightened them so much in the original bake...


  3. On 5/4/2020 at 11:38 AM, CCMHockey said:

     

    As of 2019, Ribcor EE is CCM's widest, deepest out of the box skate. Conversely, Ribcor D is CCM's narrowest out of the box skate. The reasoning is that Ribcor construction is uniquely suited to molding and will serve a customer on the narrow (with D) and wide (with EE) part of the spectrum equally well. The main difference (and this is true for all CCM skates) is that the quarter material is super reactive to heat. So while the Rib EE may seem similar out of the box in size to a competing product, the amount that it will change during a baking/molding process is significantly greater and can fit a lot more feet as a result. Rib EE ends up being CCM's largest and blankest canvas for a foot to fit into and that's what makes it so useful for those with significantly different than stock sized/shaped feet.

    Volume is a little challenging regarding Ribcor because of these same molding properties; the amount of wrap is going to depend on a lot of factors including the unique geometry of each foot and the only way to know for sure is to heat one up and tie it. CCM skates can be rebaked multiple times so no need to worry if it requires a couple molds, just keep 24 hours between heatings.

    Finally, all CCM skates come with a 90 day satisfaction guarantee so if it ends up not working out, just return the skates and get something different. 

    As a PS: We've done hundreds of retail fittings since the intro of the new Rib EE and 1 important learning has been that if it seems like nothing will fit well, Ribcor will probably end up working... Oftentimes we'll get called by dealers or equipment managers to work out an especially difficult fitting scenario and more often than not, the result is a Ribcor construction. 

    Good luck with your skate search!

     

    This is interesting. Can you elaborate a bit more on how heat moulding would impact the fit for the current Jetspeed skates (the one piece 490 and FT2)?

    I actually own the 490 and they fit super tight before baking. However, after heat moulding and skating in them for a bit, they loosened up more than I would have liked.

    Did I lace them too tight when baking? Is there a recommended CCM instruction for how to tie skates when baking the new one piece skates?

    FYI I cranked on my laces as tight as I could because LHS have always said that this the best way for the boot to mould to your feet, but now I think the internal cushioning may have flattened out in the process...


  4. 19 minutes ago, Nicholas G said:

    Yes, it is. I don't understand the second part of your question. The 2X and 2X Pro fit the same and thus both are different from the previous 1X. 

    Different price points often fit differently. For example, the S29 is noticeably more tighter around the arches compared to the 2S and 2S Pro.

    I was wondering how the 2X fit might differ from the Pro and 1X (mostly in terms of arches, heel lock, and volume).


  5. On 7/7/2019 at 11:42 AM, Mass said:

    It gives the boot more flexibility, which is supposed to result in better agility, and east west movements. I mean, it could be legit if done right. If the boot flexes more, and moves with you, then this would result in better agility

    I watched the pure hockey review video of these skates, and the guy explicitly stated around 3:50-ish that the dyna flex is just a name assigned to this “system”, which includes the toe cap, injected lacing, carbon curv composite, new foam/liner, tongue, etc. It seems like wishy washy marketing nonsense to me. Probably could have just tacked on the new toe caps on the 1x and called that dyna flex.


  6. I have to say, irregardless of actual performance benefits, Bauer just feels like they're falling behind CCM from an average consumer's standpoint.

    With CCM removing unnecessary materials and improving their one-piece tech generation after generation, the new Vapors look so outdated. So much extra stitching, layered materials, etc.

    Even if the one-piece benefit is overstated at the moment, there's no denying that CCM is putting R&D money to improve their technology every year. Compared to Bauer pushing out the same CURV composite every year, I'm really happy with what CCM is doing. Bauer didn't even want to put any soft comfort edge padding on their 2S model last year.

    If you can fit equally well into Vapor and Jetspeed, why would you opt for Vapors at this point? Would you ever pick the 2X over the FT490?

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  7. That’s what I was talking about. My experience was the same. Again, I don’t buy their marketing claim. I think it’s just a more cavernous boot intended for foots that can’t fit in jetspeed and tacks. 

    Did you get the old model or the new 80k?


  8. I tried the last generation in stores. Weird fitting skate. Comfy but very roomy for me. I just don’t buy their “fit all foot shape” claim. 

    To me, you either fit in a snug skate or you don’t. If a skate “flexes” to fit, I feel that just means the boot will get loose over time if you have skinny feet. A foot that can fit jetspeeds should be in jetspeeds.

    Maybe others with more experience with the flexible material claim can chime in. 


  9. China practically has the ability to make everything, both crap and the absolute best. All the brands you know make stuff there.

    What you get will depend on your luck finding a good manufacturer. You may get something identical to top-end stick or a lemon. I think if you're in North America and have to pay for shipping, it's not worth it. Just get a discount top-end stick from HockeyMonkey from 2 seasons ago.

    I think they are intended for players in China who might have a hard time finding authorized retailers of Bauer/CCM/Warrior. I'm sure the great majority will be good enough for recreational play. They're probably dirt cheap and are great value if you play over there.


  10. @Nicholas G You talked a lot about the thicker ankle foam padding in the FT2 and how it contributes to added comfiness compared to FT1. Do you know if the FT490 also has the same added foam padding and feel?

    I've also heard that it hurt a lot for wearers of FT1 whenever the puck hit the skates. Do you think the added cushioning wrap around enough of the interior of the FT2/FT490 to remedy this issue?


  11. 3 hours ago, Asian Tomatoe said:

    Would you guys say the FT1/FT2 fits close to/similar to the old Easton S17 skates? Those were my favorite skates and just haven't been able to find anything with a similar fit really.

    The 70K's are pretty close but was wanting something a little stiffer. My problem always has been depth thru the middle of the boot. I can't wear any Bauer skates except the Nexus line but the heels are too wide.

    Oddly, I tried on the FT390's in a 6.5 EE (didn't have the FT1's in my size) at Hockey Monkey and I was able to pass the pencil test (barely) and felt pretty good (I've heard the FT390 fit like the old Jetspeed 300 and are different from the FT1s).

    Trying to see if I should try to track down the FT1's as they seemed to have a narrower heel in an EE and see if there is enough depth or wait for the FT2's/FT490 or even the FT480s. 

    Do you guys know if the depth is different in the FT2's to the FT1's or they stayed the same? Also, if there is a depth difference between the FT1's to the FT390's?

     

    Yeah, I'd like to know the depth situation with the FT2 and FT490s too. The heel being wider, especially on the FT490, is such a bummer.

    The FT380 fit completely differently than the FT1. My foot swam in the FT380 and the heel was not even close to snug after a bake and a few skates. I had no depth issue at all. The FT1, on the other hand, fit kind of awkwardly. It had good heel lock, but lacked so much depth I failed the pencil test badly. CCM makes good skates now and offer so much more tech than Bauer, but they really really need to work on fit consistency.

    It sounds like you have my foot - you need a a fair amount of instep/volume, but a tight heel and maybe just average or below average forefoot? Try on the current generation Supremes, especially the 2S and S29. I can almost guarantee that you'll love them the moment you try them on. Too bad their $600 super stiff skate still doesn't even have basic comfort padding on the top of the boot, so you may experience having the collar dig into your foot like it does to me on my left foot.


  12. 12 minutes ago, Nicholas G said:

    We have the FT490 and FT2 in stock, but are obviously not selling them yet. What do you want to know about them?

     

    1) How do the FT490, FT2, and FT1 compare in terms of fit, specifically at the heel and depth/volume? I have skinny heel but medium instep.

    2) Is the heel pocket really flat and hard still in the new Jetspeeds? Bauers have cushioning that extend further down and prevent heel spurs for me.

    3) I read that the FT2 has its graphics printed more securely compared to the FT1. Is this also true for the FT490?

    Interestingly, I noticed the new Jetspeeds also dropped one eyelet unless I miscounted. FYI: I fit pretty well into current generation Supreme skates.


  13. On 3/20/2019 at 1:56 PM, z1ggy said:

    Well, logically it makes sense to do what you've described due to cost and manufacturing reasons. Will CCM still offer the 3D system on the 490? And for arguments sake, let's pretend the 490 also fits a hair wider in the heel area than FT1 - Would the 3D fit be able to negate any voids as opposed to "creating" more space like punching would (although I may need a little of that "punching" near my 5th met bone and outside of big toe knuckle)?

     

    Edit: Purchased FT1's last night. Didn't love them until I baked... Now they feel pretty good. Going to wear them around all week and then give them a skate this weekend. Probably will re-bake again after. Apparently the 90 day money back thing still applies, so if I don't love them I will return them and try FT2's or throw down for True's if I don't really feel like it's an awesome fit after a bake. Just can't deal with my Mako's anymore, giving me major foot pain and numbness in one of my toe. May try different footbeds in the Mako before moving on to FT2 or True if FT1's aren't working.

    I would try both the FT2 and FT490. Different price points fit and feel differently - sometimes it's not even subtle.

    By the way, the embargo for retailers just dropped on the top 3 lines of the new Jetspeed skates. You can check them out here at Ice Warehouse. Each skate has video showcasing each feature from different angles.

    Personally, I'm not a fan of how the new heel pocket looks. They said they expanded it a little, but looking at the pictures and comparing them to the previous Jetspeed skates, the new heels are cavernous across all price points.

    Has any store owners here tried the new skates?


  14. 5 hours ago, JONES199 said:

    Update .... replaced the holders - even though they tested out fine ... replaced the steel with Tydan ... just broke another one.  That's 6 on the season.

    At this point, I think perhaps your son is just a total beast of a skater and no steel is fit for his aggressive skating. I'm impressed - that was under 3 months for the Tydan.

    Jokes aside, maybe you should consider just shipping the skates to JR and have him review it. Not saying your local pro shop isn't capable, but having another eye to closely inspect might be helpful.


  15. Looks like you got pretty much an ideal fit in terms of volume to me. After wearing them for half a year, you should feel really good in them assuming no other pain point. Skates only get looser over time and feeling overly snug initially is a good thing. Just like getting new pairs of shoes, you will have some discomfort in the beginning.


  16. 2 hours ago, z1ggy said:

    Will the FT490 fit like FT1? "Rumor" is the heel area of FT2 was widened a touch due to player feedback. However, FT1 was like the only skate on retail that offered a narrow enough heel for me while giving enough room mid foot and volume wise. Vapor was narrow in the heel but also murdered the rest of my foot, and EE width vapor was actually too wide in the heel.

    If FT2 Heel got bigger it may not be ideal for me anymore. I can of course get FT1 but I want to do the custom 3D fit process because I've got some weird foot bones, etc. I can always punch but I did that with my Mako's and it took over 3 months to really get the fit correct. I also assume CCM has made some improvements to the FT1 design such that upgrading to FT2/490 could be worth it.

    I have a (speculative) theory that CCM might just be reusing a lot of components and manufacturing processes from previous season's top-end skates in the current model's second price point. I think the one-piece exterior of the FT490 will be the same as in FT1.

    From a material standpoint, the quarter packages are exactly the same (LITEFRAME 360). The comfort pads even look the same. Similar tongue too. Only real difference seems to be the reinforced toe cap connection. Just new graphics.

    With that said, the fit will be slightly different because the foam and ankle padding will be different inside. FT1 had asymmetrical padding and FT490 will not. There's only so much they can play with padding though, so I still think the overall feel will be very similar to FT1.

    CCM 2019 catalog: http://4prosport.ru/catalog/putpdf?put=/Media/images/catalog/pdf/ccm2019.pdf

    CCM 2018 catalog: http://nextone-hockey.com/fcms_data/4_1/39a04eccc570faa342a5abd9b40dd331.pdf

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  17. 9 minutes ago, bunnyman666 said:

    “One piece” in composites can be a misnomer. I have not seen the assembly of any CCM “one piece” boots, but can say with certainty that many “one piece” composite items are not always one piece and can merely be finished as one piece. When the pieces are bonded together, they do act as one piece! I am thinking that the quarters and heel are the one piece and the outsole and insole are glued on/in. Many times, two halves are bonded together to make one piece in the midst of the manufacturing process. If there were truth in advertising laws governing truly “one piece” composite structures, I could think of few that would be telling the truth!  

    If this is true than I’ve been duped all this time by CCM. I can’t consider that a one piece boot if all it is is an outsole that’s shaped in a way to sit flush against the quarter. That’s just good design, but definitely not a one piece. 

    From a performance standpoint, I can hardly imagine a difference compared to a traditional outsole.

    Does anyone have more info on this?


  18. On 3/9/2019 at 8:24 AM, stick9 said:

    Wow, that was pretty bad. 

    I see Monkey has already dropped then price on the current model. I suspect they'll drop again once the new line is released. So the question is, will the current FT1 be cheaper than the updated 390? If they are close does the updated 390 come with the new holder?

    I'd probably wait to at least see the new line. Plus you know prices are likely to drop again on the current line.  

    Chase from IW confirmed along with a CCM rep on a recent review video that the FT490 does come with the new holder.

    In fact, the only downgrade from the FT1 and FT490 seems to be the runner (no hyper glide) and a nylon midsole. I’m not sure why he said the FT490 has a nylon midsole though since a one piece boot is supposed to be composite.

    The FT1 and FT490 seem so similar that I wonder if the fit is even the same. I know that with the previous FT line, the 380 fit completely differently than FT1 and was more similar to the original jetspeeds (wider and with more depth throughout).

    CCM sizing between price points are so much more inconsistent than Bauer.

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