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    On 9/10/2021 at 2:09 PM, noupf said:


    Just curious, what size blades/holders are you using the quad 0.5 on?

    Seems to me ( in my head as I try to wrap my brain around this multiple radius profiling stuff ) that even though you and many others seem to love the quad 0.5, wouldn't if fall out of favor on larger sized skates or smaller sized?  Hence the need to go up to a quad 1 for longer steel or down for shorter steel?  Does that make sense?

    Makes perfect sense.  I'm on a 9.5 skate.  When I tried to look up what size skate that the Quad 0.5 was recommended for I could not find an answer.  I think because that Quad 0.5 is not as dramatic as a normal quad( 8-10-12-14 vs 6-9-12-15), it could probably work for a wider range of sizes but that is just a guess.  

    Great question thou.

     

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    On 9/3/2021 at 12:05 AM, Hanrider said:

    hello, is quad 1 vs quad 0.5 big difference? I am skating on q1 and want to try 0.5 but don't know if it's worth it. 

    When I was doing research about skate profiling I stumbled on a YouTube video "What is hockey skate profiling" by the guys from Hockey Tutorial.  In the end he said he liked the Quad 0.5 the best so I started there..

    The best way I can describe the Quad 0.5 is it 'Just feels natural'.  Note, I was coming from a single 11' profile and I changed my sharpen from 5/8 to a 3/4 when I changed profiles.  These two things made a dramatic change for the better with my skating.  I have yet to hear/read anyone say they hate the quad 0.5 and I can't say that for the other Quad profiles.  

    Please note that I use to wear a mirrored visor and have used T blades in the past.  So take everything I say with a grain of salt.

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  5. Posted · Edited by Beflar · Report reply

    I don't understand how putting new hockey players on a larger single profile would be better in any way over using something like a larger dual profile.  For example I started on a 13' single profile but I can't help feel that I would have learned the game a lot faster on something like a 11'-13' dual profile.

    Having more steel at the back of the skate just feels "more natural" and biomechanically sound.   

    I don't understand the logic of using a single profile anymore other than tradition.

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    14 hours ago, boo10 said:

    I couldn't agree more.  IMHO it's a terrible idea to put a beginner on a quad.  I've been playing for 45 years and consider myself a very strong skater.  The first time I tried a quad I could not do crossovers at low speed, I would literally almost fall down.

    Im also confused by the blanket claim that quads are better for agility.  The fact is that proper technique for a very tight pivot is using the rear part of the blade, so if you've got a 20'+ radius on that part of the blade it's working against you.

    No Quad profile has a 20'+ radius in it but I'm not here to defend the Quad profiles cause you might have a point.

    I do like the 0.5 Quad thou so let me explain why I think it is different than all the other Quads.  I think of the 0.5 Quad as half as dramatic as an average Quad profile.  For example a 8-10-12-14(0.5 Quad) is not as dramatic as a 6-9-12-15 (QUAD 1).  I would have no problem recommending it to anyone at any skill level.  Just remember to drop the sharpen because you are going to have a little more steel on the ice.  I think you would like it also.

     

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    On 7/21/2021 at 5:26 PM, BenBreeg said:

    I am aware of the studies and have followed everything everyone here who has experience has posted.  I just don't think they are using data to develop the profiles otherwise they would be able to prescribe them better or present evidence as to why one was better period or in a certain context or for a particular skater.  I haven't found a cohesive explanation.  Think about mom and little Joey who buy new skates and get upsold a profile, they are going to go with whatever is suggested without a clue of what they are buying.

    Lots of different profiles out there.  I think it took the advent of quick removable blade to bring the new profiles to the masses.  All I know is the days of the single profile are numbered.

    Best quote I could find on the topic from poster PBH, if people like this are giving new players advice I think profiles have a bright future:

    "I'll throw my hat in the ring here as someone who does a ton of profiles and also tests them. Owning a full-service hockey shop gives me the ability to have access to try all different combinations of skates, steel, and profiles. Yes, I am lucky, but this also comes with negatives as well considering I change configurations so often I sometimes physically hurt myself s and it most certainly does take its toll on my skating as well by changing equipment so often. Such is life.....

    BTW, when I say I hurt myself testing, I am dead serious. I hurt my back not too long ago, slipped a disc. I was testing an unreleased pair of skates with a very aggressive Quad 0 profile that was applied, it still had the full pitch in it and my back just couldn't handle the strain exerted with being so far forward. My back and core were constantly engaged fighting against the extremely stiff skate and the pitch of the profile and something had to give... Something did. My back. 

    Anyway.

    Quad 0.5 is a great overall profile and as mentioned, what I typically like to start players on if they are coming from steel that has not been profiled previously. It's also very good for new adult players, as the pitch is something they are not yet accustomed to and can throw off their skating. For the young kids, I prefer to put them on a single longer profile until they develop advanced edge control. This allows them to focus on skating and not worrying about balance as much.

    Quad 2 would be my second go-to. The Quad 0/1 removes a very large amount of steel and also add quite a bit of pitch. Once you blend the toe properly many people feel too far forward and they get short choppy strides due to balance issues and such.

    There are so many factors I think we can all agree that its truly impossible to say what is the best method and what to use for each player without seeing. Not to mention that some skates have a built-in forward pitch, like TRUE, and many other skates are very neutral. For example, skating on a Quad 0 using the "Pro Sharp recommendation) on my TRUE skates makes me feel unbalanced. When I do Quad 0/1 I tend to remove most of the pitch from the profile to preserve steel and also lessen the forward pitch. I can always add more pitch later but I cannot add steel back once it's been removed. "

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    4 hours ago, Westside said:

    Man, THIS!! I was just wrapping my head around quad profiling and now there’s the ellipse. At $50-ish a pop, it is not cheap and I simply ruin my steel if I keep trying out new things. What would be great is if there was a rental program that allowed people to rent different profiles to test them out. More upfront cost for the profiler, but I’d imagine happier customers at the end of the day.

    Comments from another thread talking about profiles etc.  Studies done etc  Good read.

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    4 hours ago, BenBreeg said:

    It CAN help you.  It could also hurt you if you went with a profile that works against you.  The problem with the current state of profiling IMO is there are too many, not enough empirical data to make recommendations, and definitely few experts available to the end user to help make decisions.  Add that it is extremely expensive to test many profiles and that I think describes the current state.

    There have been some studies.  I'm sure some people here will be able to point you in the right direction.  

    Two things I took away from the one study was: 1) Just because you feel better doesn't mean you are skating better.  Thought that was kinda interesting.  It was why they had to measure change versus feeling it.

    2)  I think out of the profiles they tested (they only tested a few) they found the dual profile 9.5'-10.5' to have the best results which is a lot like the Quad 0.5 which is a 8-10-12-14 profile.

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  11. Posted · Edited by Beflar · Report reply

    What is skate profiling

    Everything you need to know about skate profiling in the link above.

    My story.

    I went from a single 11' profile sharpened at 5/8.  To something called a "Quad 0.5" which is a 8'-10'-12'-14' profile sharpened at 3/4.

    It was the greatest thing I have ever done to my equipment.  I was faster, more agile and more stable on my skates with this one change.  The difference was night and day.  After all these years it felt like a miracle.  I became a better player over night just by changing profiles.  No joke.  I will never go back to single profile again.

     

     

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    Everyone is bashing it so I will play devils advocate.

    Looks good if you have a broken jaw or something. 

    Also for people like me who went full cage, I can bring back my beloved mirrored visor out of retirement:)  So you can have that visor you love and you can protect your expensive dental work at the same time..

    Also if you love being chirped.  With this set up of mirrored visor and cage, you will never be lonely on the ice again.

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    10 hours ago, JV23 said:

    I’m not sure it works on a continuum of better/worse.  In my opinion, Blacksteel is better than V-Steel.  It really sounds as though one of a couple of things may not be right in your setup.

     

    1.  When you got the blacksteel, was the profile the same as on your old blades?  If no, adjust, unless you like how you feel on the stock step profile (10’?  Not sure).   Could be you have more blade on the ice, which is increasing bite at a constant hollow.

    2.  As per above, these blades bite, so if profile is the same, try going more shallow on a sharpen.  If you’re normally 1/2 or 5/8, take it up an eighth or two, see if you feel more glide that way.  You should see improvement.

    3.  Sharpening - I’m making an assumption that they are new so maybe the shop you bought them at sharpened them at a house cut different than what you’re used to?  This is really 2(b) not 3, but eliminate those variables first.

    I’m only pushing experimentation because they are really good 

    Re: Point two

    Do the blacked blades have less glide vs a normal blade with the same sharpen?  Or is it the same glide but they dig in more when you use the edges?

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    3 hours ago, Westside said:

    Oh I 100% get it. I was not planning on playing with two dropped eyelets anytime soon, but it might be something I experiment with a bit more in the future 

    Been looking into this a lot lately.  It seems a good method would be, before you tie the top lace,  you flex your ankle forward then tie the top lace up.  Mimizk method.  It seems a good trade off between lateral support and forward flexing.  I'm sure what ever method you use depends on the skates you have.  

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    1 hour ago, stick9 said:

    Since the 100k has yet to hit stores it's hard to compare. 

    IMO, the most impressive thing about the Ribcors has been the comfort. The memory foam ankle donuts are sublime. Thats what got me looking into them. The performance is what got me to stay.

     

    Can you talk about the flex zone feature?  Is it notably different?

  20. Posted · Edited by Beflar · Report reply

    I'm looking at the CCM Ribcore 100K skates.  Coming from Bauer Supreme One100 skates.  What am I going to notice different in regards to stiffness etc?  Also, does the forward flex zone in the Ribcore work?  Won't the forward flexing cause the skate to break down after two years etc?  Is there anything else I should know about the Ribcore skate?  What do people think about the Ribcore line in general?

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    11 hours ago, Miller55 said:

    I have a feeling there's a lot more "4500 or die" type guys out there than guys who will drop 4 bills on this helmet. When they come into stores I would definitely try one on though

    5 Canadian bills...  I like/love the ventilation of the helmet but if I spent 5 bills Canadian I would have buyers remorse.  

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