JimmyTheDriver
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47 minutes ago, Flop_N_Pray said:Yeah depending on who you believe the Ribcor is either narrower and lower volume than a Vapor or there's a bunch of reviews on here from 70k line that say it is v-shaped with a medium high instep. And of course the local stores are heavy on Jetspeed and Supreme but have little to no Ribcor or Nexus.
The heel lock for me is less a function of heel shape / size and more that the Vapor ankle locks me down better than the Supreme did for whatever reason.
I found it to be V shaped I guess? Ended up returning them. Toe box was a smidge looser than the Vapor 2X Pro, but a smidge tighter than the Supreme 2S Pro. Instep taller than Vapor, but shallower than Supreme. Heel wider than both Supreme and Vapor. I liked the skate, comfy as hell, but its a tough sell. With how flexible the boot is, they seem to pitch is as a do it all fit.
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10 hours ago, stick9 said:Sounds like a Ribcor.
Heel is a tad bigger than a D vapor 1X. It's got a bit more volume too. The toe box can be roomy.
The 68k and 70k are very reasonable price wise these days. I've seen new 68k's on sideline for $200.
I don't know man... toe box and midfoot, yes, but not sure about the heel. The Ribcore 80ks I just got out of had a bigger heel and much more slip than the Supreme 2S Pros.
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3 minutes ago, psulion22 said:Yep. After the first - 5 minutes at 175*F, they definitely molded to my feet but it wasn't quite right. I had a few pressure points inside, and was getting horrible lace bite because i was really having to crank them down. After the second same 5 minutes at 175*F, it was night and day. The tongue really molded in and form fit to my foot, and because of that I was able to get incredible wrap on the boot. I used my hands to really shape the skate and get rid of as much negative space as possible. I also put some foam on so that it would slightly punch out the hot spots. Now tha skates are incredible. I don't really have to tie them except to keep my foot from popping out. Nothing tight at all, so there's no lace bite. The tongue being so form fitted keeps it from sliding around and really responds to my stride. I actually have to physically push it in and set it in place before lacing too. Without going to something made directly from a scan of my foot, I don't see how anything could fit better.
Might sound stupid but after the skate buying episode I have been on... I'm worried to ruin anything with another bake. First was at a Pure Hockey done by a forum member here, and was obviously much more conservative than your 5 minutes. He did mention potentially going into a shop locally to get a second bake after a few skates. You do yours at home in a normal oven?
My first ride out, I cranked down through the midfoot pretty tight and it was rough. Last night I went looser and the pain was gone. Maybe I could go just as loose with even better fit after a second.
Sorry to steal your post OP - hopefully you get something useful from the banter.
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3 hours ago, psulion22 said:The new features of the 2S Pro are meant to provide a completely locked in fit with virtually no negative space. After a proper heat molding, the tongue should be holding the foot in the skate without tying the skates very tight at all. I had the same problem you are describing when I first got my 2S Pros, going from a MX3 (and NXG, One100, One95, and One 90 before that). Pulling the laces tight enough to make the skates feel tight caused numbness and pain. So I baked them again. This time I focused on getting better wrap from the sides and especially tongue by using my hands to help form it, better heel lock by tapping my heel backwards more firmly (I borrowed a piece of the floor mats from my rink for this), and taped pieces of foam to my foot in two areas that were causing hot spots. All the issues went away. I now have a skate that completely wraps and supports my foot while not having to tighten them very much at all and has no pressure spots inside. I think the issue is twofold. First, there is a ton of thick, heat moldable ankle padding. If you don't get that molded right, it's constantly pushing your feet forwards which causes all sorts of issues from the foot being improperly aligned in the boot. Second, the tongue is also very thick and heat moldable. If you don't get it properly insdie the skate and curved, it puts too much pressure on the top of your foot because you lose too much volume and it keeps you from getting the sides of the skate to wrap and fit properly. When all that happens, you end up having to tie the laces too tight and use the tongue to apply pressure to keep your foot in place, rather than using the wrap and mold of the boot to do that. You need to get your heel locked in and that tongue really pushed into the skate to get the best fit.
Interesting about the second bake. I did a single two minute bake, and they feel pretty damn good. I guess maybe I try a second? No hot spots, but maybe the tongue could wrap better.
To the OP - its tough to tell without you actually lacing them to push your foot back into the boot, and skating. Plenty of times I haven't comfortably stood in a new skate, but after a few I've settled into the boot and its been perfect.
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Are custom CCM skates also made in these same plants?
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1 hour ago, EBondo said:Hey Jimmy,
We do have the CCM scanner available. Shoot me a PM if you want, let me know the gist what you're looking for. Our only problem is stock when it comes to CCM, as Ribcores are not a skate we get as frequently, and the Tacks obviously being refreshed this year, our stock is a bit on the depleted side. However, since you'd be coming from further away, I can work with some stores to see if we need to get anything in ahead of time.
Also, not sure when exactly you were looking to head on over, but just as an aside, I'll only be in this location for another month, as I'll be transferring to another location. But I can always get you set up with one of the other guys.
Thanks, PM sent.
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Hey fellas, anyone have any recommendations on skate fitting in or around Virginia? I am 23455 Virginia Beach but looking to drive somewhere. Closest retailers of custom skates is Five Hole Sports in Wake Forest NC, MedStar Capitals Pro Shop in DC area, the Gardens Ice House in Laurel MD, or a Pure Hockey location in Sterling.
Thanks
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29 minutes ago, mojo122 said:For first time customs in most cases the fitter should make note of any troublesome area and customs' department decides how to address it. Keep in mind that even with customs you might still need to do some tweaking afterwards.
Where do you fellas go to get such treatment? I have no hate for Pure Hockey - they have treated me very well through this process, and seem willing to help, but it just doesn't feel like this level of expertise exists at the store fronts.
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33 minutes ago, Giltis said:Also be mindful when you get your skates punched, that the area might move as you load up your foot.
I learnt that when I got my Navicular area punched, felt great when I laced up, but then when I skate my foot collapses and causes a bigger pain because now there's a ledge for my Navicular to hang off of. The place that fixed the boot the 2nd time used a rod shape instead of the normal ball shape to extend the punched area. It worked ok until I got tired of the issue creeping up again that I went with Customs a year after the purchase.
What customs worked for you? I am considering that route and was wondering if the custom mold compensates for it.
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56 minutes ago, mojo122 said:Just have the accessory navicular area punched on a good fitting skate. If the skates are creasing this quickly I can't see them holding up in the long run. I'd be worried the boot is going to break down prematurely.
That’s an easy area to hit with a punch? Would have been nice for them to pitch that to me when trying on skates for 3 hours.
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4 minutes ago, maximus91 said:yeah - that is awful. No way a new skate should break band like that.
I guess I return them and try custom. I don’t mind spending the money... these just felt nice for 700. Tough since I drove 4 hours to get them, 4 hours home, then went back for a holder issue. To do a return plus 3D... another trip. Who’s making the best customs these days?
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11 minutes ago, maximus91 said:I am the same weight, but I do not think the skates themselves are that stiff right? I just remember having this issue on my old inline skates, but have not experienced that since. In my inline skates basically once it happened it just kept getting worse. My stride is better now too and I do not really fold forward as I used to on inline skates.
They pitch these as “flexframe”... softer flex on the front, stiffer in the back of the boot. But... lol.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/a1vXrPCk19Qb71kr8
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33 minutes ago, maximus91 said:Skate is not stiff enough for your weight and it bent the wall. I had this happen to cheap inline skates.
I’m 175 lbs and it’s a top model skate. But yeah it’s similar to that.
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2 hours ago, stick9 said:And he's lacing all the way up on a fairly high cut boot. Skipping the top eyelet could help.
I’ll give it a shot. They are so form fitting I would be fine without the top. At this point I’m still in the 90 day CCM warranty. Throw in the towel or see how they ride out another 20 days? If these fail I’d have to go custom to address high instep and accessory navicular.
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Just now, Davideo said:If you compare how close the two sides of the skate are compared to a more "normal" fitting skate you will see that yours are much closer together. This isn't necessarily a problem, but I'm guessing is what is leading to the creasing.
You are right on that. None of my past skates came that close together. Man... I was just hoping to avoid custom.
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58 minutes ago, Davideo said:Agreed. Though if the width is ok, and it is just a volume problem, i.e. your foot is too thin, you might try putting a piece a felt or something on the bottom of the tongue to decrease negative space. It's not the ideal fix, but could work.
Here is where I get stuck - there is no negative space. When tied up, they are truly the most form fitting skates I've ever worn, including Makos. If that little lace facia break down (if thats what it is) didnt occur, they are the best skates I've ever owned.
Everything else chews up the top of my foot, or rubs my "accessory navicular" above my arch.
Damn it.
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Hey fellas, I have been skating in these CCM Ribcore 80ks for a couple of weeks and noticed bowing/flexing on both skates, inside, between the second and third eyelets. I don't recall any of my other skates flexing like this here, but these are also CCMs "Flexframe" design and I wonder if it could be normal. Anyone have a clue? Link is to Google photos which includes a video.
In my head they feel ok, but if these were past skates, I'd probably have thought this was the sign of them breaking down and look at replacing. My older skates were also as stiff as they come, whereas these are designed to have some flex, I think?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/N6pUdcg2AUthJSdZ7
Thanks,
Jim
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2 minutes ago, stick9 said:Hard to say, depends on the steel. I know both LS3 and Step come with a 10 foot radius but the overall contour (shape of the blade) is much different. The LS3 has a lot more meat at the toe than Step. When I was using LS3 I had to have the toes shaved then profiled. The Step was fine right out of the box, just sharpen and go.
Interesting, thanks! I’ll have to order a set and match them up to my new CCM steel.
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20 hours ago, stick9 said:You experience sounds more like it's the profile and less like it's the actual steel itself. The stock Step profile and contour is very playable.
I've skated on LS2, LS3, DLC coated LS3, LS4, LS5, Fusion Edge, Tydan & Step. The Fusion and LS2 were pretty terrible. The real standout has been the LS5. I'd rank it above the Step, Tydan and the coated LS3. The glide on the LS5 is far and away better than the rest. I thought maybe it was just me until a teammate said the exact same thing after switching. Value wise, LS3 is where it's at.
I picked up a Blacksteel honing kit on eBay for the LS5. Came with a special Stone and a thick leather towel.
Is the profile/contour of "stock Step" different that the manufacturers stock steel? I have the CCM XS holders with Speedblade XS1 Black steel. The replacement Step would be a different profile/contour? I had always thought it was the same - just different materials.
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Navicular, or accessory navicular? If the latter, you will have a tough time in it banging up against the inner wall of Tacks and Jetspeeds. Ribcore 80ks are more friendly to it, as are all of the Bauer models.
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On 12/4/2019 at 9:47 PM, Vet88 said:fwiw, before they scan you ask them to measure your feet either by hand or in a Brannock. With manual width and length measurements known then do the scan, compare the scan results against the manual results so you can validate the scan results.
Made the trek to Pure Hockey a few hours away and went through the process for almost 4 hours. I tried on all Bauer and CCM models, different quality tiers, and all the sizes around where I would fit. Few interesting things...
- They pointed out the hard plastic "lace bite protection" strip on the Bauer Supreme tongue wasn't doing me any favors, and likely causing a lot of the issue. I also had a ton of dead space in that boot so I opted to just ditch the skate all together. The new Supreme was slightly shallower, and also had the hard plastic plate in the tongue.
-They used a Bauer 3D scanner which had me in three different skates, depending on what measurement we were looking at. My most offensive measurement was the instep height, which immediately ruined all the Bauer skates except the Nexus. Problem with the Nexus was it was massive everywhere else for me. My high instep doesn't match my otherwise pretty slender foot.
- Vapor fit pretty well everywhere else, but my high instep had me bursting way out of the top.
- CCM Tacks and Jetspeed almost fit perfect - except the inner wall above arch support. I have an "accessory navicular", aka second inner ankle bone above my arch, and as it collapsed when I stood, it rubbed the inner wall of both Tacks and Jetspeed. Might have been able to punch it out, but light baking did not provide relief. Easton Makos gave me the same issues and I was never able to completely resolve it even with punching.
- The 3D scanner, and the store manager recommended custom, but I wasn't prepared to spend that kind of money am holding off to try the skate I got, which has the 90 return policy.
- Ended up in a skate I'd never considered - CCM Ribcore 80k. Years ago when I tried a Ribcore, it was heavy and felt more like a Nexus, but its been completely revamped the past couple years pretty damn general fit now. CCM pitches it as average everywhere but a medium-high instep, which is perfect for me. Its tight along my forefoot, appears to lock the heel well, and didn't bother that extra bone in my ankle. I was a bit reluctant since I have it stuck in my head that I need the stiffest skate in the world, which the Ribcore is designed to NOT be, but I'll give it a try.
CCM Ribcore 80ks... who would have thunk it. After trying them on, reviewing features, and reading up on them, they are kind of an underdog in skates these days, and I be a lot of guys would benefit from the flex profile, as well as the fit. Time will tell - have a game tonight.
-Jim
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3 hours ago, boo10 said:The 9090 Tacks are the only modern skate I've skated in that did not hurt the top of my foot. I did have a very minor heel lock issue in the left skate, but it was not really much of a problem. I only got rid of them because I wanted to try True customs, (which didn't work out for me because they made them a full size too small). I may still give True another shot, but if not, I will probably end up in Tacks. Tacks are definitely the deepest boot out there, other than Nexus which are stupid dimensions. I feel like you basically have to be a sasquatch to fit in Nexus.
Currently in a pair of 20k, but they're not a great fit. I can manage the depth issue because it's a softer boot and it has lace locks. I'm only wearing them because a buddy gave them to me when my Vapors broke, (had to wear those 1/2 size up to deal with the depth issue).
Thats great info, thanks! I am headed to a Pure Hockey a couple of hours away this weekend to see 1) how my foot measures on a 3d fitting machine and 2) check out the Tacks 9090s.
-Jim
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13 hours ago, boo10 said:You have the exact same issue that I have, low volume forefoot with an unusually high instep. I experience the same pain in any stiff boot, (except for the Tacks line). I did skate in the 9090 for a little while, but had a small heel lock issue on my smaller foot.
If you want to go retail, I think your only options are Tacks or @Vet88 suggestion of eyelet extenders. Other than that, I think you're looking at customs.
I've been trying to find a proper fitting skate for years, so I feel your pain.
Interesting! My thought on the Tacks was purely from looking at photos online. Even though listed as a "medium volume" skate, the sides just seem to be taller than others. So you didn't experience the pain in the Tacks?... just a different issue of no heel lock?
What are you currently in?
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I am curious about this as well. Is the carbon heel, arch, etc, all custom made for the foot, or is i that piece the same across all of their custom skates? While I don't have Haglunds, I do have an accessory navicular that rubs in some skates.