Jason16 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2006 Do you utilize a standard hollow for children 12 and under?I work at an ice rink and teach skating. I’ve noticed a lot of the children having difficulty scraping and performing a full snowplow stop when moving. It’s not the children’s fault but us sharpeners. For the longest time 3/8 was the standard grind but it’s about to change as I read in a handbook that for children, 5/8s should be used so the kids learn how to use their edges rather than rely on them. We don’t have the time to run a pilot test as lessons begin shortly, so any feedback would be appreciated.Thanks,Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biff44 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2006 5/8" is fine for someone who weighs 180 lbs+. For an 80 lb beginner, it is probably too flat--the kid will be falling down on every turn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
logan 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2006 I'm not sure if the issue with kids skates is about hollow as it is about square edges. Most of the guys at our shop dislike sharpening kids skates size 2 and below. The find it more difficult to fit on the clamp, or have trouble adjusting it for squareness. Part of the fault may also be due to the common assumption that "kids can't tell the difference!", so many people just rush through kids skates to get them over and done with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
logan 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2006 Also, FYI, we've changed the house cut from 3/8" to 1/2" for over a year now, and I'd say the vast majority (my unscientific estimate of 80%) did not notice that we did anything. It was mostly all the guys who like the SUPER deep, 1/4" hollows that noticed and whined.If anything, the feedback for the quality of sharpenings has gone up. Due both to changing the house cut, and implementing better standards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason16 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2006 I'm not sure if the issue with kids skates is about hollow as it is about square edges. Most of the guys at our shop dislike sharpening kids skates size 2 and below. The find it more difficult to fit on the clamp, or have trouble adjusting it for squareness. Part of the fault may also be due to the common assumption that "kids can't tell the difference!", so many people just rush through kids skates to get them over and done with. The edges are square we have jigs that fit baby sized skates 6-13. Our boss is pretty adament that we provide the children with the "right tools" to let them learn how to skate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted January 5, 2006 Most people that I have seen don't have the patience to have a kid learn edge control. They want to see progress as fast as possible and that usually means a "training wheel" sharpening like 3/8". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR Boucicaut 3760 Report post Posted January 5, 2006 Also have to factor ice conditions...I have been having to drop hollows on a few kids just because the ice is really hard at my rink and they are sliding out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason16 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2006 Most people that I have seen don't have the patience to have a kid learn edge control. They want to see progress as fast as possible and that usually means a "training wheel" sharpening like 3/8". Also have to factor ice conditions...I have been having to drop hollows on a few kids just because the ice is really hard at my rink and they are sliding out.That's the opposite of what we have here. In the past, kids would pass their respective levels etc but when they come back the next season it was as if they had learned nothing before. Parents were upset and wanted to know why. We had a city-wide meeting with instructors and sharpeners and came to the conclusion that it was indeed the "training wheel" hollows that was the source of this pandemic. This was recent. Our season is over in March and lessons begin shortly, no time for trial an error. Our rink is notorious for having fast ice. I'm thinking 9/16 would be ideal but our diamond quill doesn't have the markings for that, it's 1/2 and straight to 5/8s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR Boucicaut 3760 Report post Posted January 6, 2006 Why can't you just put it between 1/2" and 5/8"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted January 6, 2006 I'm thinking 9/16 would be ideal but our diamond quill doesn't have the markings for that, it's 1/2 and straight to 5/8s. Measure the distance between the two points and put a mark exactly halfway. Now you have a 9/16 measurement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfshadoww 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2006 5/8" is fine for someone who weighs 180 lbs+. For an 80 lb beginner, it is probably too flat--the kid will be falling down on every turn. I am 120 and use a 5/8" on both my player and goalie skates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
logan 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2006 A couple years ago I had to etch some more lines and numbers into the quill cuz the kids kept on asking where x/y" was!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jharrah28 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2006 I am a 180lb forward with exceptional skating ability. I am skating on a 1/2 inch hollow. I think that is to shallow. Should I be using a 5/8 inch? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gee2626 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2006 If you think it's too shallow, you need a deeper cut, ie 3/8" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chadd 916 Report post Posted January 20, 2006 I am a 180lb forward with exceptional skating ability. I am skating on a 1/2 inch hollow. I think that is to shallow. Should I be using a 5/8 inch? If you have "exceptional skating ability" going deeper isn't going to help you in any way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
