warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 and as i say, he abused a child Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yipperzz 28 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 i can't really tell by the angle if he's really trying to punch the kid or push the kid away. if he was trying to just push the kid away, i don't see anything wrong with protecting his players from a cheapshot. but if he did swing at the kid, that's not cool at all. he's a grown man and has a lot more height and weight on that kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 leaving the bench in a youth hockey contest to assault a player from the opposing team? he could have probably, just as easily bear hugged his #88 out of harms way How old are these kids? It's not uncommon for younger age groups (Hockey school and Tyke) to have coaches on the ice with the actual players. The referee's didn't look like they were in control of the situation. A push is much different than a shove. By your logic, if I have a kid run into me, and I know he may do it, it's child abuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 i dont get how people dont see its wrong for a coach to leave the bench and make contact with an opposing player, he in all honesty shouldve stayed on the bench or just "shoved or moved" his player out of the way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 Your right that he should've stayed on the bench, but if his intentions were to seperate then your making WAY too big a deal out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotdangles16 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 the kid is gonna get hit time and time again once he hits peewee's hes just learning to take a hit early is all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryno 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 how is that abuse? It doesn't look like he even hit the kid that hard. That coach was just trying to stop a Jr. Bertuzzi from coming into the hockey world. Now the coach should have to try and stop Sr. Bertuzzi in the same situation and whatever happens to him...oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 Your right that he should've stayed on the bench, but if his intentions were to seperate then your making WAY too big a deal out of it. i dont think im making too big of a deal about it, shouldnt the ice rink be kids vs kids all be it even if its dirty, these lads shouldnt have to worry about adults, im just saying ive seen people do this in person and it makes me green Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tps18 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 In one of my games, (I'm older and everything) the coach came out to try to protect his player from get blasted in a huge fight and got in the way at the right time and the kid that was going to hit the other player hit the coach in the head and the coach went out. The player got a game suspension, because he hit the coach, and not the player since the coach isnt suppose to leave the bench for any curcimstances. Just saying the coach was lucky the kids wernt a lot older if i were another coach i would have beat him though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 Your right that he should've stayed on the bench, but if his intentions were to seperate then your making WAY too big a deal out of it. i dont think im making too big of a deal about it, shouldnt the ice rink be kids vs kids all be it even if its dirty, these lads shouldnt have to worry about adults, im just saying ive seen people do this in person and it makes me green And I'm not saying I approve, I just think "Child abuse" and "worse than Bertuzzi" are rough terms to throw out when you have no idea about the age of the kids, the rules of the league, the handle the referees had or the coaches intentions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 i dont know man, i was always taught that sports level the playing field with kids, no matter the situation when the coach leaves the bench to get involved that to me pretty much ruins the "sport" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eazy_b97 1 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 i dont know man, i was always taught that sports level the playing field with kids, no matter the situation when the coach leaves the bench to get involved that to me pretty much ruins the "sport" This doesn't have anything to do with the "sport" though. It's not like he said, oh I'm going to take care of this little punk and pumbled him. He had an error in judgement and acted on impulse, he pushed a little kid down. Now on the other end of the scale, he could've let the kid hit'em and then your putting another person in a much more dangerous position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 i think thats were you and i dont agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zingbergeur 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 i dont know man, i was always taught that sports level the playing field with kids, no matter the situation when the coach leaves the bench to get involved that to me pretty much ruins the "sport" I think the "sport" ended when the fight broke out. Fighting certainly isn't a part of squirt or pewee hockey. The situation looked a little too out of control to say let the kids handle it themselves and the refs looked a little young to handle the matter too. I can't really tell if the guy punched or just brushed aside the kid. He should have used the absolute MINIMAL amount of force necessary to prevent the kid from attacking the other kid from behind. He seemed to use more than the minimun amount of force required to prevent the incident, so I can see why some people have a problem with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donkey87 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 i dont know man, i was always taught that sports level the playing field with kids, no matter the situation when the coach leaves the bench to get involved that to me pretty much ruins the "sport" When kids are that young, coaches should step in to break up fights. That should be the job of the refs, but they were no in control of the game. If the ref can't keep control, then the coaches should step in to help restore control. The coach could have picked a better way to control the situation, but he had every right to step in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 then they should re write the rule to say if theres a line/bench fight in minor hockey coaches can leave the benches, sounds pretty awful to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Harris 31 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 I agree an adult should never hit a child, and from the way the man turned away it looked like he wasn't too concerned about the kid, but I can see circumstance in which an adult tries to stop a child and the momentum causes the child to fall. At that point, the adult has to pick up the kid and restrain him from being reckless.Let's be honest, if the adult didn't intervene, regardless what his intentions were, we'd be talking about what a jerk the kid is. Although, for all we know #88 may have just speared him 30 seconds earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donkey87 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 Although, for all we know #88 may have just speared him 30 seconds earlier. Doesn't matter, a cheap shot from behind is a cheap shot from behind. Doesn't matter what the other player has done. (i.e. Bertuzzi incident) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 well i guess the next time im at a local hockey game and a kid goes to hit someone from behind ill jump on to the rink and shove the kid out of the way, better this than him getting his 5 minute penalty and game misconduct, and ill be right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donkey87 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 well i guess the next time im at a local hockey game and a kid goes to hit someone from behind ill jump on to the rink and shove the kid out of the way, better this than him getting his 5 minute penalty and game misconduct, and ill be right And by your reasoning, anytime young kids decided to fight during a sporting event, the coaches shouldn't bother to help break up the fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 he shouldnt have touched a kid from the other team at all, he really shouldve "shoved" his #88 out of harms ways....remember the coach made contact with the opposing player, but did the player hit #88 or the coach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donkey87 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 he shouldnt have touched a kid from the other team at all, he really shouldve "shoved" his #88 out of harms ways....remember the coach made contact with the opposing player, but did the player hit #88 or the coach? Yeah, no way that kid was going to hit #88...right And if the coach "shoves" #88 out of the way, the other kid can just follow and then hit him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrior37 0 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 what did the kid do to #88? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fletch 219 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 If anything, the Dad should have just blocked the kid's shot, rather than hit him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Harris 31 Report post Posted March 2, 2006 Although, for all we know #88 may have just speared him 30 seconds earlier. Doesn't matter, a cheap shot from behind is a cheap shot from behind. Doesn't matter what the other player has done. (i.e. Bertuzzi incident) I agree. I'm just throwing out ideas for why the kid took down numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites