Sundin on the move?

[tml67 0]

Could the Leafs captain be on the move?

He has listed his Toronto Forest Hill house for sale. I remember Mogilny putting his home for sale when he knew he wasn't coming back.

[Gongshow11 1]

hes the heart of that team, expect them to go nowhere for a while if he leaves. he is the maple leafs for yrs now

[ItalianSpartan 0]

Interesting. I can't remember, is he a UFA this summer?

Could just be moving though, my uncle is a realtor in Detroit and I remember him saying Fedorov moved around at least once, as he did a walk through of one of his houses in the 'burbs...could be just a precautionary measure, too.

[pantherfan 0]

hes the heart of that team, expect them to go nowhere for a while if he leaves. he is the maple leafs for yrs now

lol when was the last time the leafs went anywhere? :P

[tml67 0]

Interesting. I can't remember, is he a UFA this summer?

Could just be moving though, my uncle is a realtor in Detroit and I remember him saying Fedorov moved around at least once, as he did a walk through of one of his houses in the 'burbs...could be just a precautionary measure, too.

I believe Sundin still has another year on his contract. He also has a no trade clause in there.

When the Leafs were struggling before the season ended, there were rumours that he wanted to be moved. But he came out and denied the rumours and added he wants to be in a Leafs uniform forever.

There's a current rumour that he parted with his girlfriend, so goes the house as well.

[Eazy_b97 1]

He's come out and said he wants to stay in Toronto, moving on to win a cup elsewhere wouldn't be worth it. He only wants to win a cup in Toronto.

That's a rough estimate of the quote he's given a number of times this season.

[analog999 0]

Interesting. I can't remember, is he a UFA this summer?

Could just be moving though, my uncle is a realtor in Detroit and I remember him saying Fedorov moved around at least once, as he did a walk through of one of his houses in the 'burbs...could be just a precautionary measure, too.

I believe Sundin still has another year on his contract. He also has a no trade clause in there.

When the Leafs were struggling before the season ended, there were rumours that he wanted to be moved. But he came out and denied the rumours and added he wants to be in a Leafs uniform forever.

There's a current rumour that he parted with his girlfriend, so goes the house as well.

at least he's smart enough not to marry her...

[Gongshow11 1]

He's come out and said he wants to stay in Toronto, moving on to win a cup elsewhere wouldn't be worth it. He only wants to win a cup in Toronto.

That's a rough estimate of the quote he's given a number of times this season.

gonna be a long career then

[Eazy_b97 1]

You've clued in to the fact he's 35, right?

Plus you've missed the point of his quote. His "goal" is to make Toronto the best team possible, getting them as high as he can is more important than winning the cup. Or so he says at least.

[Gongshow11 1]

He's come out and said he wants to stay in Toronto, moving on to win a cup elsewhere wouldn't be worth it. He only wants to win a cup in Toronto.

That's a rough estimate of the quote he's given a number of times this season.

He only wants to win a cup in Toronto.

[Eazy_b97 1]

YES! So he's not willing to move to a team with a better chance at winning it.

Every player's ideal goal is to win a Stanley Cup. The key portion is he is not willing to move to another team to do it. He'd rather LOSE in Toronto than win elsewhere.

[Gongshow11 1]

yes and i said since he only wants to win a cup in toronto, itll be a long career

[kosydar 0]

Where would he go? I'm pretty sure he has at least one year left on his contract, and its a big one at that. Sure a lot of teams would be interested in him, but I doubt that they would want to take on his contract and give up enough talent to make the trade worth while for TO. Throw in his no trade clause and like was previously stated, his desire to stay in Toronto, and I really doubt he is going anywhere.

[Eazy_b97 1]

$6.3 Cap hit, but the team only has to pay him in the $3.5 range because the final year's price tag is a significant dip from his previous years.

[Eazy_b97 1]

If what you say is true, easy, its really sad for his sake

Sad for him? Toronto's given him the option to leave whenever he wants (apperantly). He's been a Leaf for a long time, for a poster who talks about integrity in players all the time, it seems a little odd you'd think it's a poor decision. If anything he's moving away from the money and personal accolades for a team first approach. Or maybe he'll feel more rewarded mentoring Steen, Stajan and Welly than coat tailing as a 2/3 line center for a deeper team.

Ontop, look at the teams who are still in it today and even in recent memory. Not alot were heavy favourites to be where they are (were). Calgary, Anahiem, Tampa, etc..

[kosydar 0]

But is there even really a "top contender" anymore? Sure, this year Ottawa was good as expected, as was Detroit. However, baring a miracle, both teams were failures in the playoffs this year. Look at how many surprise teams there were this year- NYR, Sabres, Hurricanes, Oilers, Nashville, Anaheim. Then you have a whole different category of surprise failures- Vancouver, Toronto, St. Louis, even Colorado to some extent. It looks fairly certain that either Carolina or Buffalo are going to be in the finals. Who expected that?

I'm not saying that I necessarily think that Toronto will be a premier team in the league next year. However, I think they are taking many steps in the right direction. And seeing as how it seems like the season has become a crapshoot, who knows what teams will be good next year.

[HeatleyRules 0]

As long as when he does go we get someone in return that is decent it's all good. I think we should keep him however and build around him with a few more scorers. Ditch Lindors and Allison if anything. Oh, and a good goalie wouldn't be bad either, it's all over for Belfour and Telqvist won't lead you anywhere.

[ItalianSpartan 0]

Toronto will never win another cup (or even reach the Finals) unless they part ways with their habit of signing/trading for old, washed up vets or stars that have come back from long periods in the IR. It's been that way for a few years now, "stacking" the team with players who are past their prime. It'd be one thing if they had a lot of young, fast talent to complement some savvy vets. But I don't see that happening. They don't need to win in order to keep making money, so why rock the boat, right?

[kosydar 0]

As long as when he does go we get someone in return that is decent it's all good. I think we should keep him however and build around him with a few more scorers. Ditch Lindors and Allison if anything. Oh, and a good goalie wouldn't be bad either, it's all over for Belfour and Telqvist won't lead you anywhere.

Whats wrong with Allison and Lindros, minus them being hurt for parts of the season? I say keep one, preferably Allison.

It doesn't matter what we do up front as long as we keep putting shitty d on the ice. If Toronto got a Willie Mitchell, Richard Matvichuk, or another hard ass defensive defenseman, then we could win games.

[yamergy12 0]

Sundin was born a loser anyway. The rest of his career will fit well in Toronto.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Sundin was born a loser anyway. The rest of his career will fit well in Toronto.

Which is why he's won a gold medal and a few other medals as well, right?

Toronto will never win another cup (or even reach the Finals) unless they part ways with their habit of signing/trading for old, washed up vets or stars that have come back from long periods in the IR. It's been that way for a few years now, "stacking" the team with players who are past their prime. It'd be one thing if they had a lot of young, fast talent to complement some savvy vets. But I don't see that happening. They don't need to win in order to keep making money, so why rock the boat, right?

They are making strides in the right direction. The cap limited what JFJ had to work with, and he's spoken a few times about keeping his prospects. In his 2 drafts he's chosen Pogge and Rask, who are two of the best goalie prospects at this point. Pogge was at the IIHF tourney with Team Canada until just recently. Steen, Stajan, Welly are much better than years past for prospects upfront and they have 4-5 D-men who are under 23 and could step in and play at the NHL level. They all won't (as there won't be that many spots open), but it's alot better than it has been.

[ItalianSpartan 0]

I agree that things are looking up as far as young talent, I was just referring to the Lindros', Francis', and such that the Leafs would acquire, especially at the deadline. The playoff push effort of the past few seasons, with the exception of this season, always caught up to them when they would play a younger team, such as Philly or Carolina.

[mrusse01 0]

The Leafs were fairly successful in the post season during the Quinn era. They ran into Dominick Hasek in the Confrence Finals one year, and were heavy favourites to beat Carolina and move on to the Stanley Cup Finals another, however a few key injuries and just some bad bounces lost the series for them. All in all I think the Leafs were one of the most successful teams in the NHL (in terms of winning games as well as making money, the latter of which I don't care about) during the Quinn era.

All in all, the playoff are more of a crapshoot than anything, a lot of the outcome is based on luck. If you haven't read MoneyBall by Michael Lewis, I'd highly suggest doing so. He follows a season with Oakland Athletics GM Billy Beane, and while the book focuses entirely on baseball, a lot of the messages resonate not only in other sports but across all types of business. For instance, Beane basically determines that the playoffs are too heavily dependent (especially in baseball with the 5 game round 1) on luck to be an adequate measuring stick for a team. A full season is a much larger sample size on which to measure the strength of a team, and looking at a full season the A's are one of the most successful franchises in the league. It's interesting that he doesn't even really care about winning the World Series, he is just interested in getting into the playoffs and then from there he thinks it is basically just luck. Makes sense when you think about it. If the Wings for example played the Oilers for a full 82 game season, I think you would be hard pressed to argue that the Oilers would have a winning record, but over a shorter sample period of a best of seven series the outcome is much less certain. So if the Wings actually have a 'better' team than the Oilers, how can you fault Detroit management if by some chance the Oilers happen to win a best of seven series? Billy Beane would argue that you can't fault management or anyone else is that scenario, it was just bad luck.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

yes and i said since he only wants to win a cup in toronto, itll be a long career

lol, you're crazy Iglod :D

[crosbyfan87 0]

Let the bum go!!