9/11 video

[Jordan6969 0]

This video gives a pretty interesting point of view. Its a really lengthy video so if you have the time its worth it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...11+loose+change

[AlGiballa23 0]

This video gives a pretty interesting point of view. Its a really lengthy video so if you have the time its worth it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...11+loose+change

i've watched just the quotes but damn it is elongated. bout an hour and a half. hopefully it's good haha.

[snap 0]

just watched it, that was such a setup.....still can't belived that happend.

[Vapor 0]

i may be talking from ignorance... i have watched a bunch of these, and am not sure if this is the one ( i didnt watch it) but is this the conspiracy theroist one where the girl is scraming THATS NOT AMERICAN AIRLINES!!!?? Because if so, that video was crap and all untrue.

[Vapor 0]

it is not, im sorry... but... I beg to ask the question, about the first document, why would the government "unclassify" that doucument (about staging a cuban terrorist situation) and secondly, the govnerment declassifys documents, they do not unclassify. Could this doucment be fake? Who knows... I shall keep watching...

[Vapor 0]

also, they show a website saying that it is from april 2001, and it clearly says april 2004 on the website... a lot of shotty facts so far, and im less than 5 minutes in...

[analog999 0]

Certainly the government unclassifies documents. I think that it is a stretch to say that Bush etc planned 9/11, but I watched the first 5 minutes and I'm going to watch the rest later for sure. Looks interesting.

edit -- I'm not saying that I necessarily believe all the "facts" and "documents" these guys claim to have, but it still looks interesting.

[Edge 0]

Brings up some good points. I just watched the whole thing. I really don't know what to believe, there's way too many points of view. <_<

[Dan_The_Man_16 0]

Thing that really made me believe it didnt happen was when I was in NYC last weekend and walked by ground zero, and was talking to a construction worker workin on the site since 2002. He told me that hes worked on professional demo jobs that went down sloppier than those towers.

[Miike 1]

On the topic of 9/11 films, has anybody seen the new one "United 93". I saw it and thought it was very well done.

[Vapor 0]

Certainly the government unclassifies documents. I think that it is a stretch to say that Bush etc planned 9/11, but I watched the first 5 minutes and I'm going to watch the rest later for sure. Looks interesting.

edit -- I'm not saying that I necessarily believe all the "facts" and "documents" these guys claim to have, but it still looks interesting.

I am not saying they do not. I just have never seen a document stamped unclassified, it has always been declassified. And how would it be advantagous of the government to declassify such a document. I watched about 15 minutes, and a lot of the facts are hard to believe... but hey, who realllly knows...

Dan... I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy BUT, To say that the building was demolished seems silly to me. When the buildings pancaked, there was no apparent explosion or spark to lead anybody to believe that there were any explosives within the bulding, there was also no sound. Also, do you know how many people would have to buy into this conspiracy and stay quiet? It would be IMPOSSIBLE for this to be planned, executed, and cleaned up without somebody saying something... and the question is why... why would they do it.

Damn tourists visiting ground zero... nothing to see there, move along, go to times square and ride one of those 5 person round bikes ;)

[Chez 0]

that vid is unreal

[wingsfan7777 0]

It is a very well done documentary. Brought up some good points and some points that seemed a little too farfetched for me. I still don't think our gov't would ever do something like that but, who knows....

[Vapor 0]

well they call the group that chainy, rummy, and jeb belong to "neo-conservitive", I wonder what side this group belongs to...

[Vapor 0]

It is a very well done documentary. Brought up some good points and some points that seemed a little too farfetched for me. I still don't think our gov't would ever do something like that but, who knows....

I wouldnt call it a documentary. That is like calling any of Michael Moores films documentaries. This group had an agenda, and they got it across. Documentaries use facts, and not slanted points of view...

[bainsstatic 0]

This video and many more like it have been posted in all forums across the web for a few years now and are laughed at by all except the gullible. In simple terms, they're all a bunch of hogshit with false/skewed "facts". Do you really think an "inside job" in this day and age in a country such as the US would go by unchecked and unnoticed until much later? Come back to Earth please.

[cds 0]

Here's a report Popular Mechanics did, where they investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists about 9/11, and debunk them one-by-one. They use actual research and hard facts as evidence, instead of the hand-waving used by the conspiracy theorists. It's a good read.

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[analog999 0]

Opinions are great, but to think your government purposely planned this knowing the amount that would be killed is kind of nutty

I still have yet to watch the whole video, but I agree with your statement. These people would have to be twisted and sick to do such a thing. Do people really think Bush, Cheney, etc are that evil?

[Edge 0]

Yeah it's insane to think that our government did that, there is no way that they would sacrafice that many american's lives for anything.

[jay 1]

Yeah it's insane to think that our government did that, there is no way that they would sacrafice that many american's lives for anything.

Yeah, I mean... I can't think of a single country that would sacrifice a few thousand lives to attack and then occupy another country. Certainly not the US...

[donkey87 0]

To think that a conspiracy like that could actually happen and be kept secret is just stupid. Too many people would be involved. Someone would come forward and talk. The government couldn't cover up Clinton's "affair" or Cheney's hunting "acident." How would they be able to cover up something like 9/11. These conspiracy are just stupid. They started before the dust even settled at ground zero, and every time they are proved wrong. No one even really comes up with new a conspiracy. It's the same one over and over with new "evidence"

[Edge 0]

Yeah it's insane to think that our government did that, there is no way that they would sacrafice that many american's lives for anything.

Yeah, I mean... I can't think of a single country that would sacrifice a few thousand lives to attack and then occupy another country. Certainly not the US...

...you know what i mean.

[dstidham 0]

I know a guy who swears up and down that the gov new about pearl harbor and just let it happen to get the country into the war.

Personally, I find the conspiracy theories kinda funny. It took me a month to convince my fiance that it was a plane that hit the pentagon and not a missle because she read something online about it....lots of "discussions" over that one.

Also the "unclassified" paper that i couldnt even read one word of on the screen but the guy let us know what it said...kinda suspicious...

And really a conspiracy like this would take Republicans and Democrats working together to get it done....I dont really see that happening...

[mrusse01 0]

I know a guy who swears up and down that the gov new about pearl harbor and just let it happen to get the country into the war.

I think there was a fairly reputable book written on that subject that asserts that the US Govt. did have advance knowledge of the Pearl Harbour attacks and did not act upon it for a variety of reasons.

It is difficult to believe that the US Govt. 'planned' 9/11, even planting the necessary charges in the towers to knock them over would require an enourmous effort. What I think is a more plausable scenario is that the attack was allowed to happen and that information was set up before the attacks, and then released in such as way as to influence public perception. Such a 'conspiracy' would need only involve a few high ranking officials within the government and would be much easier to plan and implement. Then afterwards you can just claim a massive 'intelligence failure' led to the attacks. Can anybody find me a name and position of someone who was fired directly as a result of the largest inteligence failure in history?

Does anyone remember how fast we all 'knew' it was Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban who were responsible, and how quickly the names of the terrorists invovled came out? Remember the infamous intact passport found at Ground Zero that belonged to one of the hijackers? The abandoned car found at Logan (I believe) Airport belonging to one of the hijackers with a copy of the Koran and a book on how to fly passenger jets? Sound like a set up at all?

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.cen...11.victims.html. There is a list from CNN, the trusted news source, of the crew and passengers on Flight 11. Do you see any of the hijackers on that list? Why not? Check out the other flights as well.

Finally, have you ever seen footage of an airplane hitting the Pentagon? We have seen numerous shots of both planes hitting the WTC, but there is nothing showing a plane hitting the Pentagon. The best you can find is like a 3 or 4 frame clip of questionable origin shot apparently from a security camera, in which the plane is nothing more than a blur. Now, do you mean to tell me that an airplane can fly into the most advanced building on earth, about 45 minutes after two airplanes had flown into the WTC in an obvious act of aggression, and the US Govt. is so inept they can't do anything about it at all? They can't even get a decent video image of a direct attack to the core of its military? There are no cameras anywhere in Washington DC that even saw this plane, flying insanely low through the nation's capital? Or are there images and we just arent allowed to see them? Why not?

Don't get me wrong, I think it is foolish to believe everything you read on the internet, but I am equally skepitcal of material coming from the government, or CNN, or anywhere else for that matter. I don't know really what conclusions to draw from the whole 9/11 attacks, but one thing I am certain of is that the entire truth of what happened that day has not been told.

[mrusse01 0]

Yeah it's insane to think that our government did that, there is no way that they would sacrafice that many american's lives for anything.

That's illogical thinking.

Would they sacrifice 1000 American lives if they were certain it would save 50,000? In a second they would. Would they sacrifice one American life for $1 Billion? Would you?

What about 4000 lives in return for rallying the country around a single cause, massive support for the President, the opportunity to use war to pass legislation that otherwise would never be considered, the opportunity to expel a hostile foreign regime (or two, or three), gain access to increasingly valuable oil fields, the ability to maintain a military presence in the Middle East, the enourmous economic boost a war brings, etc, etc?

You can place a value on anything, even an innocent life.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Here is a link from George Washington University detailing the book on Operation Northwoods. There are pdf's of the files you can view if you would like. 'Developing a fake terror campaign' (cough...anthrax...cough), any of this stuff sound familiar?

"This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba†was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,†including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),†faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine†incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage.