Pavel freaking Datsyuk

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

I just saw the hightlights of the Leafs-Wings game 15 minutes ago and then in the second period, I saw one of the pass Pavel has made on the powerplay for a goal, it was just unreal, what a hockey sense this guys has. Anyone saw the play I'm talking about. It was a pass from side to side.

Do guys think he has the best vision in the league? I say yes...

[EBondo 233]

Forsberg/Thornton get my votes.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

Forsberg/Thornton get my votes.

Forsberg and Thornton vision might look better because of their physical presence but for pure vision Pavel has my vote.

EDITED - What I mean by that is that their physics allow them more time and space to make plays.

Pavel reminds me a lot of Gretzky by his style of play.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

What I mean by that is that they vision might look better but in fact, it isn't. Anyway, those who see Pavel often like some Wings fans will probably agree with me.

[Eazy_b97 1]

I watched the game, Zetterberg was much better than him all night long. The pass you're talking about was relatively basic in my eyes. Kronwall made a nice play to jump in, created a lane and he found him. It's a PP and there was alot of open ice. Kaberle's pass was nicer and it was still basic as hell too. None of the goals in tonights game were really "pretty" goals.

[sweetblazer 0]

You know why else there vision might look better? cause they rack up unreal amounts of assists. Datsyuk is an unbeleivable hockey player no doubt but just cuz he makes a nice pass and is russian (clearly very important for you) s no reason to "pop a tent".

[kosydar 0]

You know why else there vision might look better? cause they rack up unreal amounts of assists. Datsyuk is an unbeleivable hockey player no doubt but just cuz he makes a nice pass and is russian (clearly very important for you) s no reason to "pop a tent".

Normally I don't agree with Kovy's assessment of players, but in this case I agree 100%. Datsyuk is sick.

[Meathead 0]

As far as on ice vision is concerned Thornton, Forsberg, Spezza, Lidstrom, Crosby are all ahead of Datsyuk. But as far as hands go, Datsyuk is certainly closer to the best in the league.

And Easy_b97, I agree. Zetterberg is 10 times the player Datsyuk is.

[J-Shera 0]

Datsyuk is one of my favourite players, but he's pretty much useless in the playoffs.

[Thockey17 1]

Datsyuk is so smooth.

Love watching him play.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

As far as on ice vision is concerned Thornton, Forsberg, Spezza, Lidstrom, Crosby are all ahead of Datsyuk. But as far as hands go, Datsyuk is certainly closer to the best in the league.

And Easy_b97, I agree. Zetterberg is 10 times the player Datsyuk is.

I don't care how many times Zetterberg is better than Datsyuk, I just say Dastyuk has the best vision in te league. And Eazy, I understand why you think he has that great of a vision if you think the pass he makes yesterday was basic.

The pass he made yesterday was something maybe only him can do in the league. He was showing everyone he was gonna do a wrister but all that time he was waiting Krownall to be open and then when he saw him open, little fake shot and bang to Kronwall cross-ice and it's in the net. No one on the ice or in the stands could have tell Datsyuk was going to do that. Everyone who has a flair for hockey will understand what I mean. It's not just about passing to an open guys. It's seing the play 10 secondes befroe it happen.

Long life to Datsyuk, one of favorite for sure.

And Leafs fans, you are lucky to have Suglobov, he's great to watch.

[All Torhs Team 0]

The pass he made yesterday was something maybe only him can do in the league. He was showing everyone he was gonna do a wrister but all that time he was waiting Krownall to be open and then when he saw him open, little fake shot and bang to Kronwall cross-ice and it's in the net. No one on the ice or in the stands could have tell Datsyuk was going to do that. Everyone who has a flair for hockey will understand what I mean. It's not just about passing to an open guys. It's seing the play 10 secondes befroe it happen.

I havnt seen the clip, but the other guys on the board are saying it was a basic pass. But the way you described it there sounds like it took some talent. If he was really faking that long and new a teammate was coming without looking back, its pretty good.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

As far as on ice vision is concerned Thornton, Forsberg, Spezza, Lidstrom, Crosby are all ahead of Datsyuk.  But as far as hands go, Datsyuk is certainly closer to the best in the league.

And Easy_b97, I agree. Zetterberg is 10 times the player Datsyuk is.

Datsyuk points : 241 in 284 = 0,85 PPG

Zetterberg points : 172 in 217 = 0,79 PPG

Last year Datsyuk points : 87 in 75 = 1,16 PPG

Last year Zetterber points : 85 in 77 = 1,10 PPG

To say that Zetterberg is 10 times better than Datsyuk is stupid. Datsyuk has better stats than Zetterberg overall. I really like Zetterberg too, but in my mind, Datsyuk has an edge over him.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

The pass he made yesterday was something maybe only him can do in the league. He was showing everyone he was gonna do a wrister but all that time he was waiting Krownall to be open and then when he saw him open, little fake shot and bang to Kronwall cross-ice and it's in the net. No one on the ice or in the stands could have tell Datsyuk was going to do that. Everyone who has a flair for hockey will understand what I mean. It's not just about passing to an open guys. It's seing the play 10 secondes befroe it happen.

I havnt seen the clip, but the other guys on the board are saying it was a basic pass. But the way you described it there sounds like it took some talent. If he was really faking that long and new a teammate was coming without looking back, its pretty good.

The commentators were not excited about this play at all. They did not even mentionned it. But at home, I could not believe it, so was Kronwall, you should have see his face on the bench when he was talking to Datsyuk after the goal.

[marc_9 0]

datsyuk has good vision on the ice but i got agree with meathead spezza,thorton and crosby have better vison than him but datsyuk has some insane hands

[Eazy_b97 1]

The pass he made yesterday was something maybe only him can do in the league. He was showing everyone he was gonna do a wrister but all that time he was waiting Krownall to be open and then when he saw him open, little fake shot and bang to Kronwall cross-ice and it's in the net. No one on the ice or in the stands could have tell Datsyuk was going to do that. Everyone who has a flair for hockey will understand what I mean. It's not just about passing to an open guys. It's seing the play 10 secondes befroe it happen.

You know it's a common set play right? McCabe and Sundin or Kaberle and Poni do it all the time. If you didn't see it coming I kind've feel bad for you. As soon as he set-up I mentioned Kronwall will jump in, and sure enough he did. He looked him off, pretty basic. If you're in the NHL and don't look-off a pass you shouldn't be on a PP. He has good vision, not among the best in the league, but definately very good. This just wasn't a good indication of it at all. Kaberle had a similar pass to McCabe for his one-timer goal. Difference was Kaberle was walking the blueline, while facing the net, passed across his body, right on the tape to McCabe without even looking at him. STILL a relatively basic play for NHL D-men.

It's easy to see the play 10 seconds before it happens when it's a set PP play.

[J-Shera 0]

As far as on ice vision is concerned Thornton, Forsberg, Spezza, Lidstrom, Crosby are all ahead of Datsyuk.  But as far as hands go, Datsyuk is certainly closer to the best in the league.

And Easy_b97, I agree. Zetterberg is 10 times the player Datsyuk is.

Datsyuk points : 241 in 284 = 0,85 PPG

Zetterberg points : 172 in 217 = 0,79 PPG

Last year Datsyuk points : 87 in 75 = 1,16 PPG

Last year Zetterber points : 85 in 77 = 1,10 PPG

To say that Zetterberg is 10 times better than Datsyuk is stupid. Datsyuk has better stats than Zetterberg overall. I really like Zetterberg too, but in my mind, Datsyuk has an edge over him.

Since when is the only important stat points?

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

As far as on ice vision is concerned Thornton, Forsberg, Spezza, Lidstrom, Crosby are all ahead of Datsyuk.  But as far as hands go, Datsyuk is certainly closer to the best in the league.

And Easy_b97, I agree. Zetterberg is 10 times the player Datsyuk is.

Datsyuk points : 241 in 284 = 0,85 PPG

Zetterberg points : 172 in 217 = 0,79 PPG

Last year Datsyuk points : 87 in 75 = 1,16 PPG

Last year Zetterber points : 85 in 77 = 1,10 PPG

To say that Zetterberg is 10 times better than Datsyuk is stupid. Datsyuk has better stats than Zetterberg overall. I really like Zetterberg too, but in my mind, Datsyuk has an edge over him.

Since when is the only important stat points?

They are pretty even in +/- throught their career. What do you want to know more. Zetterberg has more goals and Datsyuk more assists. Datsyuk is a playmaker and Zetterberg is more a sniper.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

Brett Hull even said couple of years ago that Pavel Datsyuk has a vision as good as Gretzky, if not better.

I will try to find a link for that but I remember clearly him saying that. And who is better placed that Hull to say that. He has played with both, he was fed by both.

Zetterberg is great and one of my favorite but Pavel is the Wings's magician.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Brett Hull even said couple of years ago that Pavel Datsyuk has a vision as good as Gretzky, if not better.

I will try to find a link for that but I remember clearly him saying that. And who is better placed that Hull to say that. He has played with both, he was fed by both.

Zetterberg is great and one of my favorite but Pavel is the Wings's magician.

Considering Gretzky's main attribute was vision, that makes Datsyuk the biggest underachiever in the history of the world according to Brett Hull.

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

Brett Hull even said couple of years ago that Pavel Datsyuk has a vision as good as Gretzky, if not better.

I will try to find a link for that but I remember clearly him saying that. And who is better placed that Hull to say that. He has played with both, he was fed by both.

Zetterberg is great and one of my favorite but Pavel is the Wings's magician.

Considering Gretzky's main attribute was vision, that makes Datsyuk the biggest underachiever in the history of the world according to Brett Hull.

Hockey has change, everyone is now better, bigger and faster. Put Gretzky in today's hockey with a normal team and he would be a 100 points max scorer/year. In his last career's years, when guys had start off-ice training, when they were bigger and faster, Gretzky's number had significantly dropped.

[Eazy_b97 1]

Hockey has change, everyone is now better, bigger and faster. Put Gretzky in today's hockey with a normal team and he would be a 100 points max scorer/year. In his last career's years, when guys had start off-ice training, when they were bigger and faster, Gretzky's number had significantly dropped.

So in your mind, Gretzky is about on par with Datsyuk... as a hockey player?

[Kovy_Ribs_Fedo 3]

Hockey has change, everyone is now better, bigger and faster. Put Gretzky in today's hockey with a normal team and he would be a 100 points max scorer/year. In his last career's years, when guys had start off-ice training, when they were bigger and faster, Gretzky's number had significantly dropped.

So in your mind, Gretzky is about on par with Datsyuk... as a hockey player?

In my opinion, we can't compare epoch. Gretzky has prove a lot more than Datsyuk. In my mind, Datsyuk's vision is on par with Gretzky's vision. That's it

And look out, if Datsyuk stay healthy this year, he will do easily 100 points this year and I predict him at least 70 assists and I know he is good playmaker enough to make an ¨1 assist/ game¨ average.

[ju87 0]

Datsyuk is slick.

[Eazy_b97 1]

In my opinion, we can't compare epoch. Gretzky has prove a lot more than Datsyuk. In my mind, Datsyuk's vision is on par with Gretzky's vision. That's it

And look out, if Datsyuk stay healthy this year, he will do easily 100 points this year and I predict him at least 70 assists and I know he is good playmaker enough to make an ¨1 assist/ game¨ average.

So we'll go through this then, who is better?

Vision/Hockey sense -

Skating -

Puckhandling/dangles -

Defensive awareness -

Shot -