Skate lifts

[k-ody.m 0]

ya, that dose sound like poor fitting, but maybe putting like some cork or somthing else would help a lot, and how much do lifts cost approximatly?? thanks!

[Ti-girl 0]

ya, that dose sound like poor fitting, but maybe putting like some cork or somthing else would help a lot, and how much do lifts cost approximatly?? thanks!

Here at the local shop it's $20.

[johnnyi 0]

Next time you're at the pro shop, take a peek inside a pair of Synergy 1500c skates... the 5mm heel lift is part of the Shock Doctor insole... has it printed right on the insole, too. So yes, you could wedge your heel from inside your boot, but you probably want to do it before you break in your skates. For the longest time I used a gel heel lift that you buy for shoes (just the heel one, not the 3/4 or full insole) which did the trick.

Might have been these:

[k-ody.m 0]

how much did those gel things cost becuase if thats a cheaper method than i will probably just do that and where can you pick them up just at any shoe store?

[pong 0]

hows the gel thing?

the last time i asked abt it ...

a lot told me that it would be counterproductive

because of the power transfer and things like that

i tried that too... it feels great but i didnt buy one

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

Next time you're at the pro shop, take a peek inside a pair of Synergy 1500c skates... the 5mm heel lift is part of the Shock Doctor insole... has it printed right on the insole, too. So yes, you could wedge your heel from inside your boot, but you probably want to do it before you break in your skates. For the longest time I used a gel heel lift that you buy for shoes (just the heel one, not the 3/4 or full insole) which did the trick.

Might have been these:

That's not going to do what we are talking about. That is going to affect the way your foot fits in the skate - the lifts we are talking about affects the boot pitch.

[Ti-girl 0]

That's what I got added to my skates.

[johnnyi 0]

That's not going to do what we are talking about. That is going to affect the way your foot fits in the skate - the lifts we are talking about affects the boot pitch.

My point was whether you go with a boot pitch or a heel insert (something under your insole), you're going to be more on your toes. I wasn't implying that an insert would help lift the boot - that's obvious - and it won't give you more clearance... all it's going to do is give you a more forward pitch by means of being more on your toes... simply put. A 5mm heel lift or a 5mm insert under your insole will still raise your heel 5mm. Again, what the insert won't do is give you 5 additional millimeters of holder clearance. Take a look at the Synergy 1500c insoles... you'll see what I'm talking about.

PS - as for affecting the way your foot fits in the skate, that's the reason why I said if you are going to use this approach, you'd be better off if you did it before you broke in your skates (otherwise you'll need to break in a new spot to compensate for the insert-lift).

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

But the problem with having an heel insert is that it won't work on most boots, because your ankle won't be sitting where they are supposed to. In the SyNergy's case, the boot was designed with Shock Doctors in mind, but they discovered that most people were ditching the footbed. And that is why most people dont buy SD insoles because it does not work with almost all of the skates on the market.

That is why this year, the Easton footbed has the heel insert attached with double-sided tape - you can rip it off if you don't want it.

[Jake 0]

How much of a lift is that, Ti-girl?

[JR Boucicaut 3804]

That is at least 4mm

[Jake 0]

Wouldn't that be pretty extreme forward pitch for a holder that is already neutral, or no?

[Ti-girl 0]

1/2 a centimeter.

We played around with height for a while and they took a look at my stance and we decided on the 1/2 centimeter lift.

I went out when I first got them and for the first few minutes I felt like I was going to fall on my face.

After that I felt a lot better. My first few transition strides were a lot better and my acceleration is a lot better.

[Jake 0]

Do you have any special profile/radius on them?

[Ti-girl 0]

Wouldn't that be pretty extreme forward pitch for a holder that is already neutral, or no?

I thought so when I first looked at them, but it's not a huge difference. I got told by all of my coaches and powerskating coaches how far I leaned back in these skates. I bent my knees really low, but I had real issues on my first few strides trying to get going.

I went in and talked to the guys at the LHS and showed them the tape of my skating and brought in my skates. We talked and went over my skates and technique for about an hour and we decided on the heel lifts.

I do feel a lot more comfortable on them now. Not like Im going to fall on my ass at any given second.

No.

I went in and talked about it with the guys at the shop and seeing as I play defense for two teams and forward for another they decided that it probably wouldn't make sense to put a rocker in since I would be playing different positions all the time.

[jimmy 194]

Wouldn't that be pretty extreme forward pitch for a holder that is already neutral, or no?

Not necessarily, since women can handle way more pitch than a man due to their body balance being the hips vs. the man's chest. Exactly why women can walk better in 3-inch pumps that a man. ;)

[dix0r 0]

Wouldn't that be pretty extreme forward pitch for a holder that is already neutral, or no?

Not necessarily, since women can handle way more pitch than a man due to their body balance being the hips vs. the man's chest. Exactly why women can walk better in 3-inch pumps that a man. ;)

speak for yourself, sailor ;)

[Ti-girl 0]

Wouldn't that be pretty extreme forward pitch for a holder that is already neutral, or no?

Not necessarily, since women can handle way more pitch than a man due to their body balance being the hips vs. the man's chest. Exactly why women can walk better in 3-inch pumps that a man. ;)

Good call Jimmy. :lol:

[BillyNoop 0]

I know there may be no right answer for this but what's the average height of the heel lift you guys would recommend? I feel like I'm on my heels on the Vapor XXX's and am going to ask my LHS to put heel lifts on. I know he's willing to work with me on going taller or shorter if what we put in doesn't feel right but what's a good starting point?

(obviously I can see this depending on the skater and skating style but I'm just looking for some advice on where to start)

Thanks

[greatone 0]

I seem to remember alot of guys recommending the 3mm heel lift. Also, I read guys recommending heel lifts with the One90's because your on your heels. Anyone confirm heel lifts with the One90's???? How do they feel??

[hockeymom 2]

I don't know that we can determine a "cardboard cut-out" one-size-fits-all optimum for heel lift height.

Ignoring skating style for a moment - and that really is a key factor to set aside; especially since balance is dynamic and there is a vertical and horizontal axis to consider.

One of the other factors to consider is your body type - because that directly affects where your balance point is. If you tend to have longer legs and a shorter upper body then you can likely handle a higher/more agressive pitch. This is the most common body type for women and is why women tend to have a lower balance point then men.

A rule of thumb: a 1mm lift will feel like about 1/2" at your hips. So it strikes me that a 3 mm lift may be too agressive for most players - especially if they are not "short waisted" (shorter upper body proportionate to leg length)

Stand on a couple of different widths and see what it feels like. The beauty of heel lifts is the ability to experiment and to easily adjust it as your skating style changes/develops.

[Ti-girl 0]

Great point, Hockeymom.

My skate lifts are "huge" according to most guys...but I have a 34 inch inseam so I have an extreamly short body and really long legs.