Selfish players

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Hi all,

Been lurking a long time and didn't feel a need to post until now.

Anyway, this thread is pretty similar to this one:

http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index...&hl=selfish

How do you guys deal with guys that hog ice time? Where I am, ice time costs a bomb and everyone obviously wants to stay on the ice as long as possible. But I'm getting increasingly frustrated with some of the players.

I've sort have been taught that you change up when the puck in your offensive zone but if there's a turn over you probably wouldn't have the gas to play D. What I'm seeing now is that guys are already dragging their feet when the puck squirts out into the neutral zone and we break in and in pretty much a opportune time to change, the tired ones jump into the rush and when the puck gets turned back over they (now gassed and moving very slowly) go back to the bench to change, giving up odd man rushes. We lost a game yesterday, gave up 6 goals, of which 4 came off odd man rushes.

How do you guys do it, particularly in beer league levels when there might not be a coach as such in charge.

[bheidepr 0]

my team yells the offending name and tells them to "change" or "Get off"...no hard feelings have been had either.....

Another thing to try: is to yell things like: "get off if your tired", "short shifts boys!", "change it up"<-- to no one in particular

[Jarick 5]

BH nailed it.

First, do the "let's change it up", "short shifts", etc and see if that works.

If not, when they're on the bench just say "they're killing us on those rushes...we need some shorter shifts", etc.

Just go from more to less subtle, but don't be a dick about it unless you have to. Then the whole bench gets sour.

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Too late, the whole bench is already sour... Though it was more losing a game we shouldn't have lost from the position we were in.

Also, I should again mention that the hockey mentality is different here. A short shift is sort of defined as 1 and a half mins and the average shift 2 mins which I hate cos I'm from the school of "if you're not tired after 45s you're not trying hard enough"

The other crap this is, we do talk about taking shorter shifts. I dunno, maybe my definition of a short shift is different from others....

[DamnLocust 0]

Most beer leagues shifts seem to be around 90 seconds-2 minutes around here. The combination of shorter benches plus a lesser level of hockey (than anything professional/junior/college/etc.) and lower intensity allows for it. Still, if you're gassed, you shouldn't join the rush and certainly shouldn't find yourself deep in the offensive zone, especially when the other team has shown a capability to turn a quick transition game on you. As far ass suggestions for getting guys to keep them short, what others have said seems to be the safest bet. If you pull weight on the team, and these things don't work, don't be afraid to call out the offending party(ies). If you're new on the team, you may have to just suck it up for a bit.

One other thing to look at is who's jumping into the rush late in their shifts. If a D-man is constantly jumping into the rush and getting burned, he's obviously of no mind to play defense. Also encourage the forwards to cover for the D when they join the rush. Lead by example with both of these, and others will catch on.

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Well it's beer league compared to NA. These are the guys where we select the regional team for one of the national tournaments from... Essentially, they should all know better. We (a bunch of 20 year olds) lost to a team where the average age has to be at least 45 cos we got selfish and had no legs while the other team let the puck do the work for them and we know that they would do that cos that's the way that team has played since the dawn of time.

I used to pull weight, but I took half the season off cos I pretty much got sick of it all. Sounds like I should've stayed on the other side of the boards cos nothing's changed at all.

[jeffw 1]

Sad thing is if everyone would keep their shifts around a minute they'd get the same ice time but would be better quality of play in the third period.

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Sad thing is if everyone would keep their shifts around a minute they'd get the same ice time but would be better quality of play in the third period.

Exactly. That's what irks be even more. Cutting the nose to spite the face type stuff. Last I checked it was a team sport

[chk hrd 164]

what I always see happening in beer leagues are guys who can't skate well taking long shifts because thier legs barely move and they are not tired or the "superstar" who takes a "supershift" because they think they are so much better than everyone else.

On my easy beer league night my shifts go between 1 and 2 minutes. If they run closer to 2 it's because we are in trouble and I can't get off. On my competative beer league night I usually go 45 to 1:15. The game is much faster and any longer out there and I'm done.

[Alias81 0]

Thats why if you can it's good to have a guy run the bench for that 1 reason to judge the shifts then nobody argues about people on the bench shouting at people who just don't seem to want to come off.

[RadioGaGa 162]

Last night...poor turn out to a Shinny.

A bunch of guys who knew each other and were pretty good. and the rest of us that weren't great players.

2 of the 3 really good guys playing together. The only goalie (also a friend of there's) played at one end the entire night...so while we are shooting on posts....they have a goalie...I kinda yelled over once or twice..."hey, 'tendy...wanna switch ends" He either didn't hear my or chose to ignore me.

Don't know if it's so much selfish...but it was damn annoying.

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The thing is it probably wouldn't be considered beer league or pick up. The teams are organised.

It's stuff like that that makes hockey crap and boring IMO.

[BK 0]

What pisses me off is when I go to a beginners dropin with my wife and there are guys who play house, highschool, and college hotdogging around. Its a complete waste of real beginners time when they don't even get to touch the puck in their own dropin. I would understand them playing back and creating plays for the beginners.. but when you are just taking slapshots at the line, dogging around first timers and going goal line to goal line with the puck, something needs to be done.

A few guys talked to the rink workers afterwards but they said they let them because of "weak numbers"... which is bullshit because we had 3 lines on each side.

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What pisses me off is when I go to a beginners dropin with my wife and there are guys who play house, highschool, and college hotdogging around. Its a complete waste of real beginners time when they don't even get to touch the puck in their own dropin. I would understand them playing back and creating plays for the beginners.. but when you are just taking slapshots at the line, dogging around first timers and going goal line to goal line with the puck, something needs to be done.

A few guys talked to the rink workers afterwards but they said they let them because of "weak numbers"... which is bullshit because we had 3 lines on each side.

Those guys doing that a few times IMO is fine, they have to stretch their legs too. But it should be only against each other with ice time and puck being spread out and they should only dog it 1v1 against each other.

[GSHL99 0]

Those guys doing that a few times IMO is fine, they have to stretch their legs too. But it should be only against each other with ice time and puck being spread out and they should only dog it 1v1 against each other.

If you're not a beginner then you shouldn't be at a beginner's drop-in, simple as that. If you really need to make yourself feel better by showing off in front of beginners you're pathetic and a dick.

[godiogo 0]

What pisses me off is when I go to a beginners dropin with my wife and there are guys who play house, highschool, and college hotdogging around. Its a complete waste of real beginners time when they don't even get to touch the puck in their own dropin. I would understand them playing back and creating plays for the beginners.. but when you are just taking slapshots at the line, dogging around first timers and going goal line to goal line with the puck, something needs to be done.

A few guys talked to the rink workers afterwards but they said they let them because of "weak numbers"... which is bullshit because we had 3 lines on each side.

Where I play sometimes the rink workers will split players based on age/skill level into different lines that can only play each other. It makes the game a little less fluid, but at least people are facing opponents of comparable ability.

[sc37 0]

what I always see happening in beer leagues are guys who can't skate well taking long shifts because thier legs barely move and they are not tired or the "superstar" who takes a "supershift" because they think they are so much better than everyone else.

On my easy beer league night my shifts go between 1 and 2 minutes. If they run closer to 2 it's because we are in trouble and I can't get off. On my competative beer league night I usually go 45 to 1:15. The game is much faster and any longer out there and I'm done.

I'll agree with that one...

I try to make my shifts 1 minute, but winds up to be like 1:15-1:30 though. I can't go much more than that without my lungs feeling like they're gonna explode.

[willc7786 0]

maybe I'm pessimistic, but I don't think theres an answer to your problem short of being a dick and flat out saying something to the guy. This is a very common situation in mens league and especially drop in.

I've only ever been on one mens league team where this didn't come up at least a little.

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maybe I'm pessimistic, but I don't think theres an answer to your problem short of being a dick and flat out saying something to the guy. This is a very common situation in mens league and especially drop in.

I've only ever been on one mens league team where this didn't come up at least a little.

Once in a while is ok. You can write it off as saying well the puck was in the offensive zone for a long time. But when it becomes repeated we have a problem.

I remembered when I was helping to coach a bunch of guys from a lower league trying to get them to move up, in practice we was great, we just whistles and everything to condition everyone to a 45s shift. Most got it, one guy different story. His excuse was "I'm not a ice hog, I just get so into the game that I can't hear the calls or anything"