Suit Question

[Monty22 833]

THE most important thing in clothes is the fit. Even expensive clothes that are too big and have pants with 3 or 4 breaks look stupid.

100% right. Almost everything off the rack needs to go to a tailor.

Men in North America almost always are wearing clothes that are too big for them, especially in business/ business casual settings.

Well thats just a silly blanket statement with no basis in fact or reality whatsoever.

Unless you, in your spare time, are a world renowned analyst on the clothing habits of the North American Male.

:lol:

You do realize the irony in refuting my 'blanket statement with no basis in fact or reality' with one of your own, right?

I say most men wear clothes that are too large. You say that's not true. Somehow I'm the one making a ridiculous statement and you aren't? From the guy who calls a double vented jacket 'trendy'? Ok, bud.

Sweet -Fashion fight!

[Jordan6969 0]

lol. I would also agree that most men don't wear clothes that fit right, and I guess the biggest reason for it is probably because they don't care enough to go out of there way for it.

[eric42434224 1]

THE most important thing in clothes is the fit. Even expensive clothes that are too big and have pants with 3 or 4 breaks look stupid.

100% right. Almost everything off the rack needs to go to a tailor.

Men in North America almost always are wearing clothes that are too big for them, especially in business/ business casual settings.

Well thats just a silly blanket statement with no basis in fact or reality whatsoever.

Unless you, in your spare time, are a world renowned analyst on the clothing habits of the North American Male.

:lol:

I'd have to agree with him, men in general wear poorly-fitting clothes, and 90% of the time it's because they are too big. They think a suit coat should fit like a winter jacket and pants should gather in a pile on top of the shoe. Shirts billow like tents and most don't even bother to polish the Docs they think nicely round out their Friday work attire. All you need to do is look around on a daily basis.

I look around everyday, and see mostly well fitting suits. Perhpas it is because I work in finance. Even the assistants making 60k a year have relatively nice suits that fit well. Appearance is something that is taken seriously in this profession, so perhaps I am used to seeing a better class of attire.

[eric42434224 1]

Have to see the shirt. You can do tan/khaki for spring/summer. A brown shirt isn't very versatile. If the stripes are thin on the shirt, the stripes or pattern on the tie need to be bigger, and vice versa. As for the comment about 2-buttons being for dad, it couldn't be more wrong. 2 or 3 button are classic and will remain so, 4 buttons or more are horrendous and best reserved for the gong show of fashion that goes with the Sunday football studio shows.

You can really wear any knot with a spread collar, although a full Windsor is most classic.

THE most important thing in clothes is the fit. Even expensive clothes that are too big and have pants with 3 or 4 breaks look stupid.

Please read my post. I said two button DOUBLE BREASTED is for Dad. I have two button suits though I prefer the three button.

Still not true. Double breasted suits look good on tall, thin men because they create the illusion of breadth. A good reference is The Suit by Nicholas Antongiavanni.

Just because it is written in a book about suits, and just because it may give the illusion of breadth on a tall person, is surely not proof that it isnt for a much older generation. Young professionals today who have some fashion sense just dont wear them....tall or not. Again, I am not talking about the 25 year old bartender who buys a suit at JC Penny to go to a funeral....I am taking about professionals who wear suits every day. VERY rare to see double breasted.

[eric42434224 1]

Double vent isn't 'trendy' at all.

Your opinion, but it certainly isnt "classic".

Double vents are certainly more British and single are more USish. Neither is trendy, just different. Double vented jackets allowed the wearer to sit in a saddle and the tail would drape over the back.

Certainly not going to impeach your knowlegde of the history of suits. But I rarely see people in my profession riding horses. Seriously, that is kind of some wierd logic there. I rarely see the double vent as it is generally seen as a bit trendy (regardless of origin, when or where), as is the 4 button. Whether you think so or not, it is thought of as more of a trendy look here.

[eric42434224 1]

THE most important thing in clothes is the fit. Even expensive clothes that are too big and have pants with 3 or 4 breaks look stupid.

100% right. Almost everything off the rack needs to go to a tailor.

Men in North America almost always are wearing clothes that are too big for them, especially in business/ business casual settings.

Well thats just a silly blanket statement with no basis in fact or reality whatsoever.

Unless you, in your spare time, are a world renowned analyst on the clothing habits of the North American Male.

:lol:

You do realize the irony in refuting my 'blanket statement with no basis in fact or reality' with one of your own, right?

I say most men wear clothes that are too large. You say that's not true. Somehow I'm the one making a ridiculous statement and you aren't? From the guy who calls a double vented jacket 'trendy'? Ok, bud.

I think you may have a problem in understanding what was written in my response. There really is no irony in what I said. You made a statement that you would have no possible way to confirm. It was a blanket statement, with an opinion that was extrapolated from a very limited and narrow range of experience, to encompass the male population of North America. Right or wrong, it was a blanket statement with no basis in fact. This isnt irony, merely me stating the obvious.

Remember, I didnt say it wasnt true....I merely stated that there was no way you could make the statement as fact in the first place.

Your failure to realize the sarcasm in the second sentence of my response may have led you to think it was ironic, but rest assured, it wasnt. It was merely an attempt to show you how your first assertion was simply not true, or at the very least, pure conjecture.....unless you were the "world renowned analyst"....see?....merely sarcasm.

I would rather not continue discussing the subject, as it is obviously a subjective one with obviously differing opinions....especially if it is going in the direction of even mild ill-will. I really dont want to get in any silly on-line arguement either....that is just the quintessential waste of time. You have your opinions and I will respect that, and I have my opinions, and I think the OP should realize that they are only opinions, and should use them accordingly. If it is OK, we will leave it at that, and I will bow out of the discussion.

To the OP....just bring the shirt to a local store, and ask for help in creating an outfit. Your personal taste, and being able to see the suit and accessories will prove far more valuable than asking a hockey forum for definitive info sight unseen. The choices there will likely all be within the boundaries of good taste and fashion.....the salespersons input, and your taste and preferences should allow for a perfectly fine outfit.

Good Luck!

[mack 44]

Once I asked a salesperson for advice on cuff/no cuff and they went into a diatribe of semantics, then told me to just use a Drury pattern.

[stickler012 0]

Once I asked a salesperson for advice on cuff/no cuff and they went into a diatribe of semantics, then told me to just use a Drury pattern.

I couldn't agree more with the man. :lol:

[gxc999 7]

THE most important thing in clothes is the fit. Even expensive clothes that are too big and have pants with 3 or 4 breaks look stupid.

100% right. Almost everything off the rack needs to go to a tailor.

Men in North America almost always are wearing clothes that are too big for them, especially in business/ business casual settings.

I have to agree completely. Who buys a suit and then doesn't have it tailored? Dress up like a schmuck in a courtroom and the judge might use that as a tiebreaker against you on a motion etc.

[eric42434224 1]

I agree that you should have your suit tailored. Mens Warehouse will do minor alterations free when you buy a suit.

I do disagree that most Americans in a business setting wear suits that dont fit. We arent talking about having a suit perfectly tailored from scratch....we are talking about a basic level of asthetic fit. 95% of people in finance have suits that fit. The people that wear suits that dont fit are really not in business settings. They are likely people that dont wear suits everyday, or are just not in the financial position to get a new suit, or have an old one tailored.