sitzlejd 0 Report post Posted May 1, 2009 http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/01/hydro...tion=cnn_latestThis shit is poison. People just need to do it the right way: eat less, move more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebladeshockey8 0 Report post Posted May 1, 2009 http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/01/hydro...tion=cnn_latestThis shit is poison. People just need to do it the right way: eat less, move more.knew there was something wrong with that stuff...my friend worked out every day and was on it and went from 220 to 200 within about a week and a half.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DVX 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/01/hydro...tion=cnn_latestThis shit is poison. People just need to do it the right way: eat less, move more.knew there was something wrong with that stuff...my friend worked out every day and was on it and went from 220 to 200 within about a week and a half..Probably most of that was water weight.Anyways, thanks to a select few people who ignore product labeling, this stuff is being pulled off the shelves, what a joke.Follow the proper dosages, cycle it properly and DRINK LOTS OF WATER and youll be fine.Ive been taking ephedrine and caffeine for years, which is far more potent than hydroxycut hardcore, and have yet to have any problems with my body.Blood tests can confirm this as i took it while on accutane and i had to have a monthly blood test to see if it was messing stuff up, NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law Goalie 147 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 And, of course, the absence of severe short-term side-effects guarantees the absence of any long-term side-effects! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DVX 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 And, of course, the absence of severe short-term side-effects guarantees the absence of any long-term side-effects!the side-effects listed in the reasons why the product is being removed are all short term.If the toxin levels in my liver are normal while on the supplement, why would they suddenly increase in the long run if my liver hasnt been taxed at all?Just using me as an example for this. Do you not think while processing the supplement, my liver would show increased toxin levels as well as increased wear and tear(for lack of a better word)Its the same thing with people who have used steroids all their lives and to this day still use them at the age of 60 or whatnot and are completely fine because theyve monitored their usage and done everything in accordance to proper use. USE and ABUSE are 2 different things.Theres also the variables that everyone reacts differently, as well as diet, liquid intake and general health before using this product. More often than not its neglecting simple guidelines that kills these people, not just simply using the product. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armada 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 Seriously!? Who would of ever thought something as harmless as Hydroxycut would have a side effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law Goalie 147 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 You're missing the point, DVX. To take you as an example (as you suggested), the only test you mention is for your liver, and that it consists of a screening for some unknown but finite number of toxins. Your testing begins with the assumption of that a negative response to the drug will display a toxic residue in the liver. That is not necessarily the case.Nor are side-effects necessarily specific. People who consume excess caffeine (or other stimulants) can develop systemic disorders like hypertension so gradually that they don't notice until the problem begins to manifest in specific ailments.I know people who swear that taking Adderall "in moderation" makes them better students. When I review their work, it has a consistently verbose and uninspired character. I will be very interested to know them in twenty years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perry94 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 A liver test don't actually test for toxins IIRC, they look for enzymes, which, when the liver cells break down due to damage, are released into the bloodstream. An excess amount of these enzymes in the bloodstream can point to liver damage. I say "can" because certain enzymes released by a damaged liver are similar to enzymes released in other damaged systems in your body.Now, I have no idea what is IN Hydroxycut. For all I know, it could be safe as long as it's taken correctly. However, there's always the people who think it's okay to take more than the recommended amount to speed up the process, and that's where you get into trouble. Also, it's possible that there are people out there who have deficiencies that make the recommended dose cause adverse effects. It's funny, people think that since you can buy it from a GNC it's safe. IMO, most things in the GNC are either safe because they have little to no efficacy, or safe because the pills are multivitamins or something, and even then if a person takes too much there are side effects (renal failure). So yeah, good times.As for the guy taking ephedrine. I really hope you're not taking it consistently. Heart disease is already the leading cause of death in the US. There's no need to exacerbate the risk by taking something that strains the heart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Douglas 22 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 So...over 9 MILLION units moved last year, and roughly 25 serious reports. seriously? That is a ratio im sure damn near any drug company would be fully willing to take. To add, who even knows if those 25 were taking the product the way they should have been. God knows some of the 300 lbs people ive seen using the damn stuff taking more than the required dosage, not exersizing properly, with a poor diet and hardly drinking any water.I've never used the product, and most likely never would. But things like this seem like a witch hunt and just a distraction from bigger issues to me. Taking any weight altering "diet" pill is a risk and these people knowingly accept this the moment they purchase it. However, I dont see much of an issue with this one...such a low number of incidents on top of not knowing if it was ever used properly. Just my 2 cents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sitzlejd 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 As the articles on this story say, supplements are not regulated by the FDA as normal foods and medicines are. Basically, people can put out whatever they want in this stuff and you won't know if it's good or bad until down the road. How much time and money do you really think the manufacturers of hydroxycut are putting into testing safety? I'd bet it's very little.Personally, I wouldn't be taking ephedrine either b/c it's already been banned once as well, no? Are the results worth the risk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DVX 0 Report post Posted May 2, 2009 As the articles on this story say, supplements are not regulated by the FDA as normal foods and medicines are. Basically, people can put out whatever they want in this stuff and you won't know if it's good or bad until down the road. How much time and money do you really think the manufacturers of hydroxycut are putting into testing safety? I'd bet it's very little.Personally, I wouldn't be taking ephedrine either b/c it's already been banned once as well, no? Are the results worth the risk?its been banned because of abuse. Theres always a few desperate idiots that take things too far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leafsrule16 5 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 Honestly i was going to get on this stuff. Im up to 190 and i need to lose about 15-20 pounds to be a good size. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fire0nIce228 1 Report post Posted May 3, 2009 I was thinkin about it too I only need to lose about 10 pounds of beer gut but I don't have the time to go toA gym or go running every day until it goes away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phunky_monkey 6 Report post Posted May 5, 2009 10 pounds can come off easily with correct diet and heavy weights such as squats and deadlifts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vishi05 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2009 I was thinkin about it too I only need to lose about 10 pounds of beer gut but I don't have the time to go toA gym or go running every day until it goes away.You can work out at your house 3-4 times a week without any weights and lose 10 lbs of beer gut in a month or two with the proper diet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chippa13 1844 Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Since my episode back around the holidays I have dropped 27 pounds. It was simple, really. Cut down on salts and fats, eat smaller but more often meals, cut down on late night eating and cut down on beers. Plus, moderate intensity workouts of at least 30 minutes a day, at least 3 days a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmnyi 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2009 For most guys it's just a matter of portion control. My wife got me to try Jenny Craig and it worked. Also, my food choices for breakfast & lunch were not the best (bagels, egg sandwich, pizza, etc..). Having the prepared meals made it easy to follow and teaches you the correct portions. Combine that with some cardio and you're good to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites