One95 Prototypes

[larrivee 3]

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Nike-Bauer-One90-...#ht_2607wt_1167

Pretty neat skates. Most of the shiny sided skates I saw last year before the one95 showed up had no markings, never saw these one90 dressed ones.

[furlanitalia 1]

Wow, that is pretty cool. Weird how they almost look plastic-y.

[calishark28 0]

It reminds me of the material used on the easton s15/17 skates

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

Those are most likely Mike Fisher's skates. The fact that he is giving Sens socks away pretty much confirms that.

[clthockey22 0]

found those too, very interesting find

[sebseb 0]

He says there that the ALIVE material si carbon fiber "These skates feature the full carbon boot found only on the Nike Bauer One95 skate instead of the usual 3D thermoformed Tech Mesh boot found on the Nike Bauer One90 skate". Is this true? Is ALIVE carbon fiber? and if so how is it different than Easton's boot?

[cptjeff 0]

I believe it is carbon fiber. The difference is the Matrix. A composite is made up of two materials, a fiber which is worthless in anything but tension, and a matrix- something to hold the fibers together, and they're arranged so that the bond with the matrix puts the fibers in tension with almost any force, giving the material exceptional stiffness and strength.

Traditionally epoxy is used- that's what easton has. Bauer has a different substance that allows the composite to change shape when heated.

[sebseb 0]

I believe it is carbon fiber. The difference is the Matrix. A composite is made up of two materials, a fiber which is worthless in anything but tension, and a matrix- something to hold the fibers together, and they're arranged so that the bond with the matrix puts the fibers in tension with almost any force, giving the material exceptional stiffness and strength.

Traditionally epoxy is used- that's what easton has. Bauer has a different substance that allows the composite to change shape when heated.

If so, how is the ONE95 suppose to flex, if it's solid carbon fiber, I've seen a pic of an Easton skate without the leather parts and it has some portions of the boot that can flex on one direction, the parts where there isn't any carbon and are masked by the leather parts.

[cptjeff 0]

At that point, you're asking me to tell you about the intricate design aspects of Bauer's skates, which I can't do because I don't know. But it could be they're not designed to flex like easton's are, which is a distinct possibility as easton's coil system is pretty much unique to them. The other possibilities are that they adjsuted the thickness of the composite in some places, or the layering pattern of the fibers, which can affect the strengths and properties of the material, of they have layers of other composites in certain areas to change the characteristics... It could also be a short fiber composite, which won't be as stiff, that has reinforcing on certain areas...

What hockey skate makers have been doing with composites in skates is pretty dang advanced. Most of what they're doing is more complicated then the composite work on something like a 787. That's almost completely just injected short fiber glass composites. Quite strong and light, but that's what's on the Easton SE10. The alive material on the One95 is cutting edge. Only Bauer has the full idea of how it works, and they're not going to give that information away.

Anyone want to let me sacrifice a One95 or two to try and figure it out?

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

I believe it is carbon fiber. The difference is the Matrix. A composite is made up of two materials, a fiber which is worthless in anything but tension, and a matrix- something to hold the fibers together, and they're arranged so that the bond with the matrix puts the fibers in tension with almost any force, giving the material exceptional stiffness and strength.

Traditionally epoxy is used- that's what easton has. Bauer has a different substance that allows the composite to change shape when heated.

Actually you should change it to "pliable."

ALIVE is a composite microfiber.

I've handled swatches of it in the raw and you can bend it in half, however, in the skate setting, can stiffen.

[sebseb 0]

The other possibilities are that they adjsuted the thickness of the composite in some places, or the layering pattern of the fibers, which can affect the strengths and properties of the material, of they have layers of other composites in certain areas to change the characteristics... It could also be a short fiber composite, which won't be as stiff, that has reinforcing on certain areas...

Thanks for the info, that is what I was looking for, not the exact answer, but I was curious to know more about carbon fiber composites and now I have a better understanding of how those work.

EDIT: so what are you saying JR? is it or is it not carbon fiber?

[shotty 7]

cptjeff, great info. here's a question: do you really believe that they'd layer compo materials to direct stiffness or flex?

I would think that if they're using cutting edge materials and methods, they'd avoid layering as that greatly increases the likelihood of catastrophic failure in the thinner areas.

I don't have any suggestions as to what they do instead, I'm just sayin'.

[JR Boucicaut 3810]

Boots are stiffened internally.

They don't layer the material - the way that the ONE90 and ONE95 gets its anatomical shape is because the boots are pre-formed with a machine before they are built.

[cptjeff 0]

I wouldn't think that they would. That's just one of the ways you can change the characteristics of a composite. The layering would be prone to separating with the various impacts and forces, and the skating would destroy the composite boot pretty quickly from that point. It's great for making sticks though, it's stronger directionally even though it has less resistance to an impact (as you see on TV everytime a slashed stick explodes).