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hey, once again in the market for a new one piece as my S19 just snapped and was not covered. The S19 felt exceptional to me in terms of blade feel and stickhandling responsiveness but for some reason i could not figure out the kickpoint. im a very experienced shooter and was using a 110 flex but because the hosel on the stick was so long (where the ellipse ended) and the fact that the hosel is much stiffer than the actual shaft, i was finding that while skating full speed and fulling loading a shot the shaft would become overbeared and the bottom portion would not flex effectively. this really affected my slap shot which was dissapointing. on the plus side however when releasing a wrist or snap shot off of a cycle or similar situation, i found it kicked well and with great accuracy.

so for my actual question im asking the community which stick would most likely suit me. im looking for a stick with a low kick point, stiff blade, weight isnt much of a concern. the sticks im debating is Bauer (totalone or X60) or the eq50 but i would not look past RBK because i liked the sikkick line in the past. i know this is a general question and most will say use what stick feels good to you but when purchasing 300 dollar sticks i like as much info as possible

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The eq50 felt abit heavy to me, and coming from the s19 you may not like it. The window on the blade has been rumored to fall out also. I have an x:60 which has lasted me 5 months without showing ANY sign of weakening (which is a long time for me because im very hard on my sticks). Sadly, its blade cracked and is now soft. I loved the feel and it kicked very hard on all shots. The balance on it is great, better than the s19 imo. The TotalOne is very light and balanced, but has a mid kick. Ive never shot with one but i've heard many great reviews about it. Im going to get one soon to replace my x60.

Ive also used a new 11k and I loved it. Very low and powerful kick, but felt very stiff to me. The blades on all of these are stiff, but the TotalOne has a softer feel compared to the pingy feel of the x60 and 11k.

I prefer the x60 over the 11k and both over the eq50.

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Of the sticks mentioned I would give another nod to the x60. If you like the lower kickpoint this will be a much better fit than a total one. The blade may feel more lively than the s19 you were using, but I was able to adjust quickly to it. I'm yet to try the new RBK, but a friend just acquired one so I'll likely give it a shot at some point.

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I would also choose the X60 over the Easton, I have tried many easton sticks and have never liked the feel as they feel unbalanced. I had the 11k great stick and feel but though the X60 shoots better and has better feel for the puck. I am currently using a Total one and love it great overall stick

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I would also choose the X60 over the Easton, I have tried many easton sticks and have never liked the feel as they feel unbalanced. I had the 11k great stick and feel but though the X60 shoots better and has better feel for the puck. I am currently using a Total one and love it great overall stick

thanks for the replies guys, im leaning towards bauer also but was wondering about the intelliflex tech, does it actually make a difference or does the stick flex predictably no matter what shot you choose.

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I feel that it is mainly a low kick stick, but the intelllisense may make a difference. It kind of hard to explain, but on slapshots the stick seems to "soften" more than on wristshots. What i mean is the kickpoint on wristers seems smaller and more concentrated than on slappers. All I know is that it kicks hard on both shots. Even if it was just a plain old low kick stick it still performs better than all other sticks in its range imho.

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the x60 is soft at the top and stiffens towards the blade, but it has a big soft soft right in the area where the hosel would be. thats why it has a good low kick for wrist shots but can still load up for slap shots similar to a midkick stick.

the x60 is a very smartly designed stick. its just blade durability has never been a strong point.

i've heard a couple of mixed oppinions, but the s19 is a very low kick stick because of the eliptical profile, it actually pushes the flex point to right above the blade (see http://www.inlinewarehouse.com/videos/comparisons/eastonSticks.html)whether this is true or not I can't say, $320 is out of my budget to try out personally.

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I've always been told that the s19 is a mid kick stick... the elliptical part of the shaft is supposed to force the kick higher, kinda like the 808

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I've always been told that the s19 is a mid kick stick... the elliptical part of the shaft is supposed to force the kick higher, kinda like the 808

That's not necessarily true. The s19 has a very low kick. However thats the only comment I can put on this thread because the s19 is the only top-level stick I've had the priviledge of demo-ing.

Edit: In hindsight I should mention that the s19 has such a quick release and great feel that I'd actually consider buying one if I found one at the right price. I'd compare shooting the s19 to firing a slingshot. The 85 flex had such a strong whip to it that all I had to do was 'flick' the puck and it came off the blade like a cannonball. That's my only insight into high-end sticks.

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I just upgraded (unintentionally) to s19s and have been very pleased. I purchased a few in 85 and 100 and have found the 85 to have the same slingshot effect as the previous poster but I haven't had it long enough to tell how long it will last. I've always had issues with lower flex sticks going softer faster than 100+ flex ones which I suppose makes sense. I love the whip of the shot but I'm having trouble corraling hard passes with the whippier stick so I might end up keeping the 85's for roller and the 100s for ice.

sidenote: Hockeymonkey replaced full orders of s17's with s19s when my roommate and I ordered clearance 2-packs recently on 2 separate orders. I was down to my last s17 that was getting ready to go which I bought when the stores were blowing them out and was suprised to see hockeymonkey selling 2-packs of grip s17's in nearly all flexes and curves so I bought way too many. They showed up at work and a box full of grip s19's were inside with a nice note explaining that they apologized for being out of s17's and replaced them with s19's free of charge. My roommate wanted in on the action and ordered a few packs of s17 non-grips and the same thing happened. YMMV but it seems they might be clearing them out under the radar

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That's not necessarily true. The s19 has a very low kick. However thats the only comment I can put on this thread because the s19 is the only top-level stick I've had the priviledge of demo-ing.

Edit: In hindsight I should mention that the s19 has such a quick release and great feel that I'd actually consider buying one if I found one at the right price. I'd compare shooting the s19 to firing a slingshot. The 85 flex had such a strong whip to it that all I had to do was 'flick' the puck and it came off the blade like a cannonball. That's my only insight into high-end sticks.

The S19 would probably be best described as a mid-low kickpoint stick. It's higher than something like an X60(the Elliptical hosel part does flex, so it pushed the kickpoint up) but lower than a one95. Easton doesn't refer to it having a low kickpoint.

The dolo is probably the best bang for your buck stick on the market when looking at retail sticks at msrp

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The S19 would probably be best described as a mid-low kickpoint stick. It's higher than something like an X60(the Elliptical hosel part does flex, so it pushed the kickpoint up) but lower than a one95. Easton doesn't refer to it having a low kickpoint.

The dolo is probably the best bang for your buck stick on the market when looking at retail sticks at msrp

what he said LOL

the S19 has a low-mid kick due to the reinforced kevlar on the elliptical hosel, a durability improvement on the S17s

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thanks again for the advice guys...i did feel though like the s19 was definitely a mid kick. im not sure if the flex rating applied to the elliptical portion of the shaft, and if it did, just how much of a difference it made but in all truth taking slapshots was a chore and while practicing to master the kick point the stick folded right in half basically right in the middle. which is strange because nearly all my sticks that i have broken shooting snap low on the shaft, where i look for it to flex. wristers worked well though.

on another note does anyone have any experience with Combat sports and their stick line that could give some feedback? im interested in trying one out..this coming from a guy whos favorite stick of all time was the montreal nitro force/lite line.

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thanks again for the advice guys...i did feel though like the s19 was definitely a mid kick. im not sure if the flex rating applied to the elliptical portion of the shaft, and if it did, just how much of a difference it made but in all truth taking slapshots was a chore and while practicing to master the kick point the stick folded right in half basically right in the middle. which is strange because nearly all my sticks that i have broken shooting snap low on the shaft, where i look for it to flex. wristers worked well though.

on another note does anyone have any experience with Combat sports and their stick line that could give some feedback? im interested in trying one out..this coming from a guy whos favorite stick of all time was the montreal nitro force/lite line.

check the long term review section there's a bunch of ballistik (now combat) reviews

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Well I need a new stick now also and I was wondering how you people liked the s19. I had a x60 but I would rather not get another one. Im looking for a stick with similar attributes and the s19 seemed similar. Im considering a TotalOne but I can get an s19 a bit cheaper. Just anyone that has played with both an s19 and x60, were they similar?

Thanks in advance for the help.

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I had the x60 two piece and I currently have the S19. The S19 blows it out of the water, in my opinion. Then again, it's not an apples to apples comparison.

I just picked up a Dolo DD to try the Gionta pattern...and it's pretty good as well. No trouble going from my S19 to that. I've only played two games with it as opposed to a ton with my S19, but so far so good, and it's $100 cheaper.

If you like a lower-kick stick, stay away from the One95/TotalOne sticks. They're great sticks, but they will take some getting used to and as I found out, it was an expensive experiment for something I wasn't crazy about. I pull out the One95 from time to time and can't stand it after using the S19 and Dolo's for the last while.

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I'm not a fan of vapors, T-One is nice but the S19 worked best for me in a head to head situation at the summer game.

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Ok guys, thanks for the help! One more question though! My x60 85 flex felt abit too stiff for me. But my one95 felt too whippy and snapped. So, what flex do you guys think would be best? I know x60s play alittle stiffer than listed but I was wondering if the s19s do also because of the elliptical part?

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I would say the S19 is fairly true to flex. It might depend on the length of stick you need.

Normally I don't cut any stick, as "stock" they're about the right size for me. However, Easton's come a little longer and even though your stick will be listed at 85, that's with a couple of inches cut off.

When I took a bit off of my S19, it probably brought it down to a 95 or so, not quite 100. If you really need to cut down your sticks, then you may run into an issue.

That said, my 2011 Dolomite 100 feels a little more flexible than my S19 at 95 does. Not by much, but it's somewhat noticeable.

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I would say the S19 is fairly true to flex. It might depend on the length of stick you need.

Normally I don't cut any stick, as "stock" they're about the right size for me. However, Easton's come a little longer and even though your stick will be listed at 85, that's with a couple of inches cut off.

When I took a bit off of my S19, it probably brought it down to a 95 or so, not quite 100. If you really need to cut down your sticks, then you may run into an issue.

That said, my 2011 Dolomite 100 feels a little more flexible than my S19 at 95 does. Not by much, but it's somewhat noticeable.

There's the 75flex s19 too

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