superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2011 ok so here's the deal.. i don't roller hockey and i don't plan on it any time soon.. i need to get back into shape and i want to start roller blading to get me therehere's my goal for some new blades... comfort, longetivity, and quickness.. my two final brands are bauer and mission. whatever brand i choose in the end i will be installing some new top of the line outdoor wheels and ceramic bearings. so what do i want?? bauer rx: 60's, 25's?... or mission axiom 90's, or 80's?my curreny ice hockey skates are bauer vapor 30's and they are comfy as hell i love the way they fit after i got them baked as soon as i bought them!!!k help me out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henryb 4 Report post Posted May 15, 2011 ok so here's the deal.. i don't roller hockey and i don't plan on it any time soon.. i need to get back into shape and i want to start roller blading to get me therehere's my goal for some new blades... comfort, longetivity, and quickness.. my two final brands are bauer and mission. whatever brand i choose in the end i will be installing some new top of the line outdoor wheels and ceramic bearings. so what do i want?? bauer rx: 60's, 25's?... or mission axiom 90's, or 80's?my curreny ice hockey skates are bauer vapor 30's and they are comfy as hell i love the way they fit after i got them baked as soon as i bought them!!!k help me outWell, if you're never going to be playing Roller Hockey, and you are very comfortable with the Bauer XXX ice skates, then I would say that the RX:25's are the way to go. They are way cheaper then the 60's, although you do get what you pay for!!! I have both and the 60's are fantastic, but for what you are going to use them for, the 25's will do just fine and last a life time. They are very stiff and heat moldable, so you can get that really good fit and with an upgrade in the bearings and outdoor wheels, you should be set. Check out a couple of other threads in this forum for sizing:http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/56797-bauer-rx20rx25/http://www.modsquadhockey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/56414-full-review-of-rx60-first-impressions/Regarding outdoor wheels, it all depends if you are interested in grip or longevity, you did mention longevity... so probably the longest lasting outdoor wheel is the Labeda Asphalt's. They have a hardness durometer of about 92A. There are better choices if you want more grip, the Rink Rat Hot Shot Outdoor or the Revision Axis Agent Orange and a number of other good choices.Regarding ceramic bearings, you have a number of excellent choices, however, some might be quite expensive. Such as the Bones Swiss Ceramic, they will run you (for 16 bearings) well over $200. But there are less expensive options, such as the Bones Super Reds Ceramics, around $140, or even less expensive options online look for vxb or enduro, and I'm sure there are others as well.Good Luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2011 how much are wheels?i seen those bone swiss bearings those are the ones i want to buyare the 60's or axiom 9's really wort buying though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voxyledbetter 9 Report post Posted May 15, 2011 how much are wheels?i seen those bone swiss bearings those are the ones i want to buyare the 60's or axiom 9's really wort buying though?I personally wouldn't spend that much if you are just going to use them outside. The t8 and t9 boot are prolly the same w/ the magnesium chassis and wheels being the difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2011 so i should probly just go with the rx: 25's and swap out the wheels and bearings then.. where's the cheapest place to pick these things up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henryb 4 Report post Posted May 15, 2011 so i should probly just go with the rx: 25's and swap out the wheels and bearings then.. where's the cheapest place to pick these things up?Good places online are:www.inlinewarehouse.comwww.hockeymonkey.comwww.hockeygiant.comThere are probably many others, just shop around, you will find a good price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 whats the cleaning like on ceramic bearings? do i clean them like regular bearings, how often do they need to be cleaned, and do i regrease them or oil them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 ok so do rx:25's only come in size R? i seriously don't think i can fit my foot comfortably into something that's not EE... so am i sol for these blades and have to get mission now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henryb 4 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 Ceramic bearings need cleaning just like any other bearing! But typically they use less oil to relube them... One drop per bearing instead of two. The one good thing about ceramics, is that the balls are so hard that they pulverize any dirt particles in the race liner. So in some small way they are more self cleaning then steel balls! Nice.ok so do rx:25's only come in size R? i seriously don't think i can fit my foot comfortably into something that's not EE... so am i sol for these blades and have to get mission now?Yes the RX:25's only come in R width, but unless you are stretching the width limits on EE's then R might do you ok? They are quite wide. If you really need the super wide fit, then I believe the Mission's come in EE width. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 i say that because my vapor 30's are E width and those fit very good.. R width would be skinnier i'm assuming.. i hate that i have no stores local to me with inline skates that i can go try on for test fitting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
start_today 769 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 If you're just using the skates to get back into shape, there's no reason to splurge on ceramic bearings. A worse bearing will make your glide shorter, forcing you to use your legs more. Skating outside with all of the cracks, pebbles, and unevenness of asphalt, I don't think you see the results from top of the line bearings that you'd see indoors. You're better off just running the stock bearings and putting that extra money into the wheels or something else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 ok good to know thanks for the info.. even without the ceramic bearings... should i still upgrade my bearings though sometime?i still haven't bought anything yet because i'm torn between axiom 8's and rx:25's.. i really wish size i knew how a size 9.5R would fit me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nickyb13 9 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 If you are willing to spend that much money, why not get a pair of ice skates and convert them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pittu 15 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 If you are willing to spend that much money, why not get a pair of ice skates and convert them?I am in kind of the same boat as superjug. I have an ancient pair of bravoblades that are pretty thrashed and I'd like to get a pair that are more similar to ice boots. This is just for summer skating on bike paths,etc to stay in shape. One of my concerns is braking. I'm a confident skater, but having some form of reliable brake seems pretty important to me. I really like the pivot style of brake on my bravoblades..the one where when you shift your right foot forward, the brake pad comes down and contacts the ground. What is the best braking system to use with a stiffer, hockey style boot (if any)?...Also, any recommendations for a chassis to mount on a hockey boot for outdoor skating on fairly poor asphalt?Sorry to hijack your thread, super. Just seemed more better to add to your thread, ie, alot of great info already given... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharks25 9 Report post Posted May 16, 2011 Super- if you order from inlinewarehouse you can send back the skate if you don't like the way it fits. But honestly, just for outdoor skating and no hard cuts or stops, I dint think you should get that nice of skates. Alot of the price of those skates come from the wheels, which you are going to replace. One tumble and the boot will get ripped up, which I learned by using my 25s outdoor. Look more at the rx:15s or 20s or the t6s. Save some money and buy a better set of outdoor wheels, such as hotshot outdoors. Just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 don't the better end blades come with better chassis's too? i'm in canada keep that in mind.. does inline warehouse still pay for return shipping to canada?forget i said that... i don't even think inline warehouse ships blades to canada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharks25 9 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 The rx:15s, 20s, 25s, axiom t6, t8s all have the same 2000 aluminum chassis I believe. You would need to upgrade to the t9 or rx:60 for a mag chassis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 oh ok awesome.. only thing i need to figure out now is size and those 15's and 20's aren't in my size so either i find them elsewhere or i have no choice but to find some 25's or t8's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
start_today 769 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 Super- If you're just using them for skating, there's no reason to upgrade to super nice skates. The primary benefits of Mags are lighter weight and less likely to bend if they get hit with a puck. Since you're not playing competitively, and don't plan to, it strikes me as a waste of money. Stick with the $200 to $300 models and you'll be fine. Pittu- Hockey skates don't come with breaking systems anymore. If it's really important to you, you'll have to look at speedskating style roller blades. Just dragging a foot behind you (like a lazy T stop) or doing a "powerslide" (similar to doing a poor job of stopping on ice) are your simplest bets for roller stopping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pby 0 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 Pittu- Hockey skates don't come with breaking systems anymore. If it's really important to you, you'll have to look at speedskating style roller blades. Just dragging a foot behind you (like a lazy T stop) or doing a "powerslide" (similar to doing a poor job of stopping on ice) are your simplest bets for roller stopping.You can buy brakes that attaches to your chassis. http://www.skates.com/Powerslide-Universal-Brake-System-p/pubs.htmAsphalt in my experience shred wheels like no tomorrow if you do T stops and powerslides often. Heel brakes aren't a bad idea if you skate on roads/slopes. I'd definitely say its safer and more reliable than powersliding.While you might lose style points for using a heel brake, but theres nothing cool about crash sliding into a car or cyclist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pittu 15 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 You can buy brakes that attaches to your chassis. http://www.skates.com/Powerslide-Universal-Brake-System-p/pubs.htmAsphalt in my experience shred wheels like no tomorrow if you do T stops and powerslides often. Heel brakes aren't a bad idea if you skate on roads/slopes. I'd definitely say its safer and more reliable than powersliding.While you might lose style points for using a heel brake, but theres nothing cool about crash sliding into a car or cyclist.Thanks for the input guys. I'm basically looking for a chassis to put on a spare pair of Super Tacks I have. I know that the braking issue is sort of a puss out, but skating on bike trails up here in alaska, you never know when you'll need to come to a controlled stop to avoid a drunk idiot on an atv or a moose :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2011 hey guys i went and looked at my vapor 30's today to double check what size they were and they're actually a 8.5...what does that mean for bauer and mission inline skates are they the same sizes then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henryb 4 Report post Posted May 19, 2011 Before Bauer took over Mission a couple of years ago, Mission used sizing the same as your dress shoe size. Now Mission uses the same sizing scheme as Bauer, approximately 1.5 sizes smaller then your dress shoe size.It is important to note that this is a general guideline, that there are some small differences even between model lines within Bauer! Check out my Full Review of the RX:60's for some of the differences between RX:20, RX:25 and RX:60 skates. No doubt there will be similar differences in the Mission line as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superjuggie 0 Report post Posted May 19, 2011 i know they say 1.5 size smaller than your shoe but if my skate is a 8.5 i would want to base a choice more on that than anything right... i think the only reason why my shoes are 10.5-11 size is because my feet are so fat.. if not i think i would be wearing a 10 all day.. buut idk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharks25 9 Report post Posted May 19, 2011 They should be slightly larger than your ice vapors. Maybe a half size, maybe a quarter size. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
