shaft versus one piece stick

[hands of steel 0]

I wonder if the stiffness of a 85 flex one piece versus a 85 flex shaft 85 suppose to be the same, because I play with a warrior dolo spyne one piece and feeling is more stiffer than my easton s19 shaft, the feeling of the s19 is too soft.....same flex.....i just dont get it

when I want to buy another shaft, I would be scared to take a 85flex shaft again.....

[innotastic 12]

how old are the two sticks? if the s19 is older and more worn in it will feel softer because its broken in. if you have the old white/blue or white/yellow spynes, i believe those were low kick models which often feel stiffer than the standard flex of the s19 shaft.

you could always pick up an 85 flex dolomite (now dynasty) shaft if you like the flex of your dolomite spyne more than the s19 shaft.

[Gefiltefish 9]

Are you adding length to the S19 shaft and/or cutting the Dolo?

Easton shaft run fairly short so any length added will essentially make it play softer... Also, any length you ar cutting from the Dolo is making it play stiffer.

[xaero604 0]

In response to the original poster, I think I know what you mean. The reason why you feel the S19 shaft combo is more flexible compared to the dolomite Spyne is that the two sticks have different kick points. Even though some forum members would disagree with me here, the Dolo spyne is still a low kick point stick due to its tapered design, much as in the way a One95 is. Before anyone starts arguing with me here, I`m not saying it`s a low kick point stick like an X:60 or Synergy but it`s definitely lower than an S19 shaft combo (which we all know was the S15 and before that, the z-bubble, which I owned). I`m pretty sure most of the experienced members here find that a mid-kick point stick tends to play more whippy than a low kick point stick due to the differences in the way they load. As for anecdotal evidence, I used an x:60 and after I broke it, I downgraded to the a standard reebok 6k shaft combo. I bought the same 75 flex as the x:60 and I was very much disappointed with how whippy it played.

Anyway, to avoid your problem, just buy a tapered shaft.

[hands of steel 0]

tanks for all the comments.........my next target is an Bauer APX grip shaft, 85 flex (two area kick points i heard) i hope i wont regret de flex choice, at 150$ can. , i can't make mistake this time.......

just to respond a few question from you guys

5 games played from a brand new easton s19 shaft and added 2 inch plug for extra length, with Bauer one 95 blade...

and uncut brand new dolo spyne (standard length)

it's look like it could be a lot of factors for the feel of a similar flex between the shaft and the one piece...

[romdj 26]

The apx is a low kickpoint as well so it will feel stiffer..so you should be good with an 85flex (87 it is i believe) but it shouldn't feel too soft in your hands..

[innotastic 12]

5 games played from a brand new easton s19 shaft and added 2 inch plug for extra length, with Bauer one 95 blade...

and uncut brand new dolo spyne (standard length)

is your s19 longer than the spyne? length, and therefore leverage, affects how the flex feels. more length to bend a stick means its easier to bend a stick and it will feel whippier. keep this in mind too when your purcashing the apx shaft.

[hands of steel 0]

ok! tanks for the informations! it's really helpful :).....my s19 bend like a rubber band, i wont play again with this shaft...

[jazz4all 9]

sorry to ask this but, can anyone give me any info on warrior mojo shaft? is it the same like AK27 or even higher?

[hands of steel 0]

finally, i ended up with a total one shaft,87 flex ,full lenght, and i'm very happy with the result, great feeling! and scored twice last game ;) hard shot! jez! lol!

[innotastic 12]

thats a great choice. the totalone shaft is stiffer than the one piece variant of the same flex because it has an extra 3" on the hosel end which is stiffened on the totalone (and one95 before that) to get that midkick.

[bulletproof_funk 0]

sorry to ask this but, can anyone give me any info on warrior mojo shaft? is it the same like AK27 or even higher?

To me it doesn't feel like there's any engineered flex profile in the Mojo shaft, it's a constant flex profile and flexes like an Easton Ultra-Lite (the 85 flex is pretty close too).

thats a great choice. the totalone shaft is stiffer than the one piece variant of the same flex because it has an extra 3" on the hosel end which is stiffened on the totalone (and one95 before that) to get that midkick.

I cut my TO standard shaft down 4-5" and it feels wrong on slap shots even though I'm using a 77 flex. I'm guessing the flex point also moved up on the shaft vs. the TO OPS because it feels like it's part way between my hands when positioned for slappers. Where should the stick flex, lower hand on slappers and above?

[Chadd 916]

a standard shaft will generally flex equally along its length. The deepest part of the flex will generally be in the middle of the shaft.

[bulletproof_funk 0]

a standard shaft will generally flex equally along its length. The deepest part of the flex will generally be in the middle of the shaft.

I can see a normal shaft working this way at various lengths (up to a certain point before the shaft becomes too stiff) but putting the flex point dead center in the TO shaft before adding in the blade just moves the flex point up by several inches (compared to the OPS) so only those tall enough to use a full length shaft get the full benefits, for the rest of us shorter folk it doesn't work... but I asked the question about where the mid kick flex point *should* be in case I was wrong to think the TO shaft setup or OPS should flex around the lower hand (not necessarily the same place for everyone). So am I right about the lower hand flex point or not?

[Chadd 916]

I can see a normal shaft working this way at various lengths (up to a certain point before the shaft becomes too stiff) but putting the flex point dead center in the TO shaft before adding in the blade just moves the flex point up by several inches (compared to the OPS) so only those tall enough to use a full length shaft get the full benefits, for the rest of us shorter folk it doesn't work... but I asked the question about where the mid kick flex point *should* be in case I was wrong to think the TO shaft setup or OPS should flex around the lower hand (not necessarily the same place for everyone). So am I right about the lower hand flex point or not?

The length of the stick isn't relevant, until it get too short and stiff to flex. If you cut the stick, it's still going to bend the most in the middle of the shaft. In other words, if the stick is 60 inches long, the point of greatest flex should be right around the 30 inch mark. If the shaft is 50 inches, it should be right around the 25 inch mark and so on. To the best of my knowledge, there is not a specifically engineered point on that stick where it will kick, regardless of stick length as you are talking about.

[bulletproof_funk 0]

To quote the Bauer catalog's TotalOne page:

Amplified Mid kick

Engineered for maximum energy output with minimum effort using a stiffer lower shaft with a softer middle, creating a stick that is easily loaded — perfect for powerful slap shots, one-timers and wrist shots.

This is why I said earlier about the TO having an engineered flex point although I wasn't as precise in my wording I still believed the TO OPS and shaft are not like conventional constant flex sticks.

[Chadd 916]

To quote the Bauer catalog's TotalOne page:

This is why I said earlier about the TO having an engineered flex point although I wasn't as precise in my wording I still believed the TO OPS and shaft are not like conventional constant flex sticks.

I must have misread your post initially, these things happen after a 14 hour day at work. I read it as cutting moving the kick point up, not that the issue is really a difference in sticks.

The standard shaft has a significantly higher kickpoint than the OPS. The OPS and standard shaft are very different construction.